Dear Margo | 08/12/2009 11:00 pm
Dear Margo: Saying Good-bye
Saying Good-bye
Dear Margo: Recently, an elderly friend’s husband died after a long illness. His wishes were to leave his body to science and to not have a funeral. His wife of 50 years complied and is privately grieving. My sister, in the final stages of a long illness, also prefers no funeral and wants to donate her body to science, as well. In her case, the likelihood of having her body accepted for research is slim, though we are trying. My sister’s children have expressed their desire for the family to be able to conduct a private, closed memorial service. My sister has argued with her children and insists, "No funeral." My other sister and I feel this is selfish. What about family and friends’ need to grieve and console one another? Aren’t death rituals for the benefit of the living, not the dead? — Grievance about Grief
Dear Griev: Let’s deal with the smaller issue first. Sometimes, in the case of an elderly person, medical institutions cannot use either the body or any organs because of prevailing illnesses. I would finesse this issue with your sister by saying you will make her offer known to different medical institutions. My mother, as well, wanted this to happen, but it was not possible. And speaking of my mother brings me to the larger point. She, also, did not want a funeral. Our situation, of course, was complicated because she was famous. She feared it would be a circus, and additionally did not want to inconvenience friends with having to fly to Chicago. (There are people who are mad at me to this day because there was no funeral.) My mother said to me, however, what I say to you: Do what you need to do for yourself. You will not be having a funeral (religious service, burial) if you have a gathering of friends and family to laugh and cry together. I suggest you close the discussion by saying, "Mom, there will be no funeral." As to your larger question, death rituals really are for the living, though for many people, dictating the terms of their formal farewell has meaning. For myself, I have chosen another way. I have told my husband and children to do whatever they like. Actually, what I said was, "Surprise me!" — Margo, individually
Robbing the Cradle
Dear Margo: Something that is none of my business is getting under my skin. A friend of my boyfriend, "Rick," is dating an underage girl, "Wendy," who looks a lot younger than she is. She’s 17, but looks more like 12. Rick is 27. I have expressed my opinion that I don’t want to attend social events with them. She drinks alcohol and does an assortment of drugs, and so does Rick. My boyfriend and I have worked hard for everything we have and do not want to take the chance of losing it all because we were in the company of a minor drinking alcohol or doing drugs. My boyfriend and I were invited over one night to hang out with them, not realizing that the house was full of teenagers drinking. We said hello and goodbye. Am I being too much of a prude because I don’t want to involve myself with a possibly volatile situation? — Not Sure What To Think
Dear Not: This situation is more of your business than you may think, insofar as socializing with these people. Legal issues aside, I believe people of principle are free to choose to not associate with people whose standards do not meet their own. Some people, for example, will not socialize with Mr. X and his girlfriend if they are friends with Mrs. X. See what I mean? At some point, Wendy will be of legal age to drink, but the drug business is a legitimate reason for you and your boyfriend to steer clear. You are in no way a prude to decide that certain behaviors are unacceptable to you. — Margo, honorably
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wow. i get to be the first to answer. cool!
okay LW#1: your mother has the right to be laid to rest any way she wants to be and you should honor her way. how would you like it if you wanted to have a big fancy expensive funeral and had saved all your money just for that and then they cremated you and threw you in the ocean? the whole point is to give them what they want. after you have done what her wishes are, then have a memorial service for her with your friends, family and her friends. there is no need for the body to be present. you can still grieve with family and friends.
i saw a special on 20/20 a few years ago that was talking about how expensive funerals are and how most ppl cannot afford it. they talked about all kinds of funerals and they had a frank discussion about donating your body to science as they really need cadavers for research and teaching hospitals. the body if donated is first screened for any donations (if the person requests it) eyes, skin for grafts and organs for transplant.
then the cadaver is shipped to hospital/research center/etc and they use it for one calendar year. at the end of that year, they then cremate the remains and ship them to the next of kin at their cost. i said WHOO HOOO. this is the way to go for me. i told my kids about it and they were fine with it. even tho i have many illnesses maybe they could use my body to see what they can do to cure those illnesses. i think that maybe this old body can do for somebody else, that i couldn’t do for myself. at least my death will serve some purpose, helping save lives. that means something to me.
you might ask her what she wants done with her body IF no institution will take it. then she will probably be happy to let you have what you want. but remember the body is only a shell. i told my kids to get all our friends and family together and have a party, play MY favorite tunes and LAUGH, LAUGH, LAUGH! some might think i’m looney for wanting that. but i want ppl to remember the fun they had with me and making ppl laugh is one of my most favorite pastimes. the soul has left that shell of a body and so there is no need for it to be at a memorial service. in fact after my mother was cremated and thrown over the farralon islands (at her request) i had two different memorial services at her friends request. one in san francisco and one in san jose (at two different kingdom halls of jehovahs witnesses). they both were packed and she wasn’t even there. so just do as she wants and then have your own memorial. i doubt she will care and you don’t even have to tell her. what is most important now is to make her last days easier by not fighting with her over this. she probably would just like to pass in peace.
LW#2: i agree with you totally. you are not a stick in the mud b/c you chose rightfully NOT to sit around with a bunch of teenagers drinking and doing drugs. it would be hard for me to not call the police on them. but most would just say live and let live. the fact that you both know this friend of your bf’s is doing all this stuff should make you want to cut off communications with him totally. obviously the guy is trash and is aiding and abetting corruption of minors, not to mention sexual seduction or statuatory rape of a minor (depends on the state). the guy sounds like a total sleeze. run and take your bf with you as fast as you can! he is no friend!
my Daddy gave his body to science in 1976….and i appauded him for that. one can always have a photo enlarged and a memorial for friends to be at and have a few nice words to say. even if the insides can’t be used, there is always skin for burn patients. this is what i wish also….let us give back to those who are in need, even after our death.
Linda Walter
Rachele, intellectually, I agree with you. I won’t be there, so why should I care? But, emotionally, having worked in the funeral industry, I know what I want and don’t want. The final wishes of a person should be sacred, within reason. Yes, funerals are for the living. When the loved one was a very private, independent, and somewhat finicky person, like myself, it’s better to handle the disposition of the remains as they wish, and then go have your party.
I don’t want to be autopsied, if I can help it, definitely not embalmed, absolutely NOT on display when I have not done my own hair or make-up and know that it’s right, and I insist on being cremated. My family is religiously opposed to cremation, and all about the drama of the receiving line. How this will turn out, no one knows, and certainly I won’t, but on the off chance there is life after death, someone is going to be severely haunted if they think what they want takes precedence. (I’ve always figured that if a god can create all of mankind out of dust, then it can re-create me out of ashes.)
good idea. but if you make a will have it notarized and put where it can be found when you die or put together. hire a lawyer and have him/her hold it for you. also you can give copies of your wills to local hospital and then if your ever taken there in an emergency situation it will come up that you want no machines and such. i think you can also let them know the disposition of the body. some have it sent right to the funeral home, others sent right to the organ donation dr, others right to the crematorium. NO matter what your relatives want they cannot do anything if you have a will. my best friend is a nurse and she says that nobody is given a choice if there is a will. if you have any questions about it i would suggest asking a lawyer especially if you think there might be a chance that your family might not want to go by your wishes. one thing you might try asking you family how they would feel if you tried to have them cremated against their will. (i seriously doubt it would make a difference, they will probably just get mad and not understand the principle behind the question, most heavily religious ppl do and then try to turn it around on you) but it never hurts to try.
Good one.
I strongly believe that one follows a dying person’s request. I may not agree with it, but it is a sign of respect and devotion, and in my family, which is mixed, I did, indeed, have an Orthodox funeral for my mother, and my children and I arranged what we called a sensational send off for their father who was Presbyterian and a immigrant to the U.S. I even found a minister who had known my husband’s overseas family, which was not easy to do, and we held the funeral according to his religion’s rituals.
It may be true that funerals and mourning periods, with which I’m familiar, because I was brought up in a religious Jewish home, are for the survivors, but we have a responsibility toward those we love to do what is required and asked for. I am not observant though I know the burial rituals, such as the cleansing of the body, the hiring of a night mourner to remain with the body until burial,the use of a pine box, and other details, and I honored my mother by following them strictly, and also sat shiva for her. However we disagreed during her lifetime, she knew that I would do as she asked.
I cannot imagine and certainly don’t approve of others interfering with the decision a person makes about his/her funeral; we’d call that chutzpah, and it’s not a compliment!
As for calling it selfishness to make a request to hold a funeral in a specific manner, whether it is a donation to science, cremation, religious rituals, or whatever is desired, it is absurd for survivors to make demands on their own behalf. Mourning is inevitable whether rituals are or are not observed. When we say "Rest in peace," that means we have respected the deceased’s decisions.
When we say "Rest in peace," that means we have respected the deceased’s decisions.
Well said, Shirley!