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Dear Margo | 11/20/2009 6:30 am

Dear Margo: When Dad/Gramps Just Ain't Interested

Margo Howard

When Dad/Gramps Just Ain’t Interested

Dear Margo: By his choice, my father-in-law, "Herman," has had little to do with my wonderful family. He is a negative, toxic individual whom I don’t trust, given his manipulative and abusive behavior. When his wife finally moved out some years ago, Herman did as he had long ago threatened: He cut off contact with his son (but not his daughter). He seems to have a particular dislike for me, most likely because I don’t play along with his unacceptable, hurtful conduct. Happily, our family has a very close relationship with my parents, who lovingly dote on their grandchildren.

My children are now in fourth and first grades, and they’ve met Herman only once or twice that they can remember. I personally see little to be gained by reaching out to Herman, but I’m concerned my husband and/or children may have later regrets if he kicks the bucket. My husband says he doesn’t care; my son is now asking questions about his grandfather. Just how honest should I be with my son? And is it truly best to let nasty sleeping dogs lie? — Preferring the Status Quo

Dear Pre: Forget about the bucket. I am on record, somewhat controversially, as being in favor of lopping off anyone, relative or friend, who can be judged "abusive and toxic." What is the point of absorbing punishment just so things look "normal"? As for your son, without a lot of detail, simply tell him that the other Grandpa is kind of grouchy and not very friendly to anyone, which is OK, because everybody can’t like everybody. — Margo, simply

Better Not To Creep Out Your Mother

Dear Margo: I am struggling with my mother’s distaste for tattoos. I have several in places that are easily covered by clothing, so they would never disrupt my chances of getting a job. Another reason they are easily covered is because my mother is still unaware of them. Her Jewish faith states that the body should not be desecrated; therefore, one cannot be buried in a Jewish cemetery if they have tattoos. I got them to help me overcome fears and was fully aware of the Jewish prohibition. They do not interfere with my faith. She also told me I would be shunned for a lifetime, were I to get any.

I am positive that the repercussions of telling her would not fade over time. On the other hand, she instilled in me the belief that pride should be taken in everything I choose to do. I would love to share my pride in the tattoos with her, but I’m concerned about losing her forever. She only stands to discover them if she is present with me while I’m birthing a child, which is several years away. Should I bite the bullet and risk losing her, or keep my secret? — Happily Inked College Girl

Dear Hap: To share with you the opinion of that sage Kelly Osbourne, now 25: She regrets having the tatts and would love to get rid of them. But because you already have yours, we can skip over that one. Given what you say about your mother’s feelings, I see no point in revealing your body decorations to her. You are just asking for trouble. I suggest you show your pride in the artwork to your girlfriends. Oh, and when the time comes, keep your mother out of the delivery room. — Margo, prudently 

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AR1

LW1

What is with people beliieving that they must allow unkind or toxic people in their lives just because they share a family tree? 

In my experience, unkind and toxic people continue to be so, despite our wishes they would change. Those are character traits, cultivated by a lifetime of choices and inner thoughts.

Do you normally meet a horrid person and think, "Hmmm…I should go get my child so he can meet this person too. Then this person could be horrid around my precious son. Great idea."  Doubt it.

Bluntly if your husband, to whom this man is kin, has zero regrets about shutting the man out of his life….why should you? Doesn’t your husband know this man far better than you do? 

You are trying to project someone else’s concerns and worries into this. Who told you that you and your husband and your son would one day feel regret over a lost toxic relationship?

I tell you from my own experience that your problem is this: Deep inside, you cannot imagine shutting your own parents out of your life. You are projecting the regret you’d feel if that happened in your family onto your spouse and his father. Get this through your mind: his family isn’t like yours. It wouldn’t happen in yours. You cannot compare apples and oranges which is what you are doing. 

Remind yourself that if this is the route your husband has chosen to use to manage his father, then it is good enough for you. After all, don’t you trust your husband’s judgment?

By AR1 on 11/21/2009 11:45 am
JulieS
Wow. It’s not her father. It’s not her concern. My husband stays out of my family’s business, and I stay out of his family’s business (except when husband feels he has to bail them out of their bad financial choices).
By JulieS on 11/21/2009 12:20 pm
SusanThomas
I have read that people of the Jewish faith cannot be tattooed. Is this because of the terrible numbers that were tatooed on them during the Second World War? If so, it is another man made law, passed after some men decided that it should be so. I personally dislike tattoos, knowing that what you like today, you will probably dislike tomorrow. Long ago I had read an article stating that in years past some undertakers who liked a particular tattoo would cut the piece of skin off and keep it. That was enough to freak me out on tattoos forever. I have seen lovely young women who had a large tattoo on their body, and then time passes, the tattoo dims or grows larger than it started and it looks terrible. It is digusting to see a pretty bride walking down the aisle with a huge tattoo on her back, showing above her bridal gown. That is ugly, I don’t care whether you like tattoos or not.
By SusanThomas on 11/21/2009 6:52 pm
ShanaLeBeau
No. The prohibition (which includes tattoos, piercings and cosmetic surgery) is a very, very old one- The body in which we were born is the one with which our Creator endowed us, the one we’re supposed to have and therefore perfect, and willingly altering it is considered mutilation.
By ShanaLeBeau on 11/21/2009 9:35 pm
LepidopterPhoenyx

No. The prohibition (which includes tattoos, piercings and cosmetic surgery) is a very, very old one- The body in which we were born is the one with which our Creator endowed us, the one we’re supposed to have and therefore perfect, and willingly altering it is considered mutilation.

 

Does that also include surgically changing the "perfection" of a club foot, a hare lip, or a cleft palate?

By LepidopterPhoenyx on 11/23/2009 11:35 am
ShanaLeBeau

As I mentioned in another comment, I am not a scholar in these matters and therefore anything I say is purely a lay opinion: I could well be wrong and mileage may vary.

Sadly, yes, I believe that correcting birth defects would be prohibited. I’m not saying I like that or even that I’d obey such a prohibition if I had to make such a choice on my child’s behalf, but I do believe that a strict interpretation would fall on the side of accepting such challenges. No one said faith was easy.

By ShanaLeBeau on 11/24/2009 12:02 pm
AR1
Is becoming obese willingly altering it? What about haircolor? How about cosmetics? Acrylic nails?
By AR1 on 11/22/2009 12:14 pm
ShanaLeBeau

Not being a scholar in these matters, I can only offer a lay opinion but, in my opinion, failing to do basic things like excercising and eating properly would be abusing the wonderful gift one was given and therefore, yes, barring medical reasons for being obese, I would think it was mutilation…. Cosmetics, including haircolor and fake nails, because they are temporary adornments that do not actually alter the flesh would not, I think, fall into the catagory of mutilation. … questions of vanity and pride, I’ll leave alone(smile)

Again, purely a lay opinion, your mileage may vary.

By ShanaLeBeau on 11/22/2009 4:32 pm
LC4
Bravo Belinda Joy for your insights and honesty. Your scenarios are not ridiculous. Unfortunately, there will always be those who offer deceit as as a response. This response is the essence of their bankrupt  characters.
By LC4 on 11/22/2009 1:14 pm
SallyK
L#1 I don’t regret much in my life, but I, very much, regret that I , basically, forced my children to see their father’s side of the family after the divorce.  I knew they were awful, abusive people, but I was taking the ‘high road’ with all the b.s. that implies.  I turned my children over to them for holidays and summers and only now, am discovering all the painful things that were said to them about themselves and me , their mother.  Were I able to do it again, I would have gotten a restraining over against the whole lot of them.  Do what you have to protect your children.  Y ou don’t owe the old man a thing.  

L#2 People get caught up in arguments that , in the ultimate scheme of things, mean nothing.  So, she has tatoos, and her mother is against her.  She had enough good sense to put them where they can’t be seen by anyone other than a significant other.  When  you get right down to it, it’s none of her mother’s business and would be merely a bone of contention between them.  Life’s too short, and we’re all dead forever.  Let it be, keep it to yourself and spare your mother the worry.  Lord, I wish my kids didn’t feel the need to tell me every single thing about their lives.  When I  have, and believe me, I have protested that they are giving me too much information, they all respond in the same manner.  I should, according to my children, feel grateful that they feel so comfortable with me.  I’m grateful, believe me. However, so much closeness, I don’t need.  

By SallyK on 11/22/2009 2:08 pm
DianaDanh
I feel so connected to the first letter because I recently had trouble with a mother in law who is controlling, manipulative, a liar, a thief and a con artist! She waited until we had time alone to pick little fights with me and then when i finally lost it and told her to calm down and stop yelling at me, she screamed like a maniac in front of my baby!!!She then flew off the handle and took a taxi to the airport and left then blamed me for her leaving! I don’t want her back in my home because I don’t want her nasty hateful attitude to rub off on my child. I just don’t understand, Her son, my hubby, is the most patient, honest and caring man I have ever met. I chalk it up to the universe trying to balance itself out. I do not ever want that woman around me EVER again.
By DianaDanh on 11/22/2009 6:41 pm
ShariFagin
By ShariFagin on 11/25/2009 1:31 pm
JenniferMc

Also, this has been bothering me since I first read it:

I find it hard to believe that people are honestly comparing a tattoo that a person CHOSE to the tattoos that the Jews who were carted off to concentration camps had FORCED upon them.

Do people honestly believe that God or whomever is in charge of this sort of thing doesn’t differentiate between the two, especially if a tattoo really did mean that a person couldn’t be buried in a Jewish cemetary? I’m reasonably sure that God can tell the difference between getting a tattoo as a choice and having one forced upon His people—whatever the reason. As long as God is on your side, it doesn’t really matter what man thinks. (I know that’s a Christian teaching, as opposed to a Jewish one, but, again, I’m pretty sure it applies here.)

Even if the Jews who were tattooed and then killed in the Holocaust weren’t allowed to be buried in Jewish cemetaries because of the "mutliation" that was FORCED upon them, I don’t think God would keep them out of His house. Of course, that’s just my opinion.

By JenniferMc on 11/25/2009 4:52 pm
TracyR
No offense, but we’re talking about a petty god who is concerned about ink on the skin. Maybe it can be assumed he might not have enough sense to differentiate between the two.
By TracyR on 11/26/2009 3:46 pm
JenniferMc
I appreciate that, but why would i be offended by your opinion? frankly, as a Christian, i was raised to believe that Jesus fulfilled the covenant, which means that the tattoo thing can and will be forgiven. not everyone shares my beliefs, and that’s totally ok. it’s why i live in America.
By JenniferMc on 11/26/2009 4:55 pm