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Poll | 04/16/2009 12:00 am

Do you attend organized religious or spiritual services?

Read more about: Church, Religion, Spirituality, Temple

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Linda Myers

I raised my kids to believe, but not how to believe. I believed that at some point in thier life, they would find peace on a chosen path. Last Saturday night, I attended my youngest daughter and grandaughters baptizum and confirmation into the Catholic church. Her cholce, and she spent the last year preparing for the night.

I cried when I seen the tears flow down her face, as she realized her choice and the work she had done was fulfilled. I would have never guessed this would have been her choice, but I know the way she radiated that night her soul was touched and tuned to her desires.

The church is not for me personally, life is my church, but for a few hours it was a memory I will never forget. I respect all paths of belief, just do not feel it takes being within the walls to find what you are seeking.

By Linda Myers on 04/16/2009 12:48 am
Nancy Cleveland
"Life is my church"…well put, LM!  Mine also and, as Joan states, most often find spiritual peace and communion in nature.  I was raised in the church until I pulled away at around 14yrs. of age because of, even then, finding a certain hypocrisy.  Even growing up in a country which basically adhered to Catholicism or Presbyterianism (with a tiny trace of Episcopalian) in my youthful, limited, knowledge it didn’t seem right that while all believed in the Good Book each were so much at odds with how they practised OR treated each other because of their differing tenets.  When I chose to learn about world religions it became even more difficult, finding that not only did there seem nuggets of ‘truth’ (for me, at least) in each but it seemed to emerge that every one had one thing in common…the Golden Rule or a close version of it.  That rule has remained the core of my personal belief and, again like LM, living my life according to my own core I do respect the beliefs of others.  During early adulthood, raising a daughter she too was raised to believe in a higher power, just not with dogma but encouraged to find whichever way her life wanted or needed.  She would go to church and I was happy for her that she found a certain fulfillment in the practise.  I will say that the things by which I live my life, while without church or organized religion…such as the Golden Rule, ‘loving my brother as myself’ still hark back to childhood biblical reading but for me that has little to do with religious affiliation or attending a specific edifice one day a week.  
By Nancy Cleveland on 04/16/2009 6:22 am
Nancy Pea
i really like your beliefs. mine are very similar, except i’m a buddhist with a small temple in my home. but i believe that belief is what is important and i go by that faith everyday. 
By Nancy Pea on 04/17/2009 10:15 pm
joan larsen

All of us have a second chapel, where there are not walls or stained glass.  Yet - yet, it is a place where we may sense God in a personal way so intense we feel a reconcilation we have never felt before.  I know this to be true.

Humans have tried for thousands of years to discover tangible proof of some high and belevolent being in their lives.  For most, our searches have led us into almost impenetrable thickeets of theology.  But I think we may be closer to discovery than we realize.

If God is peace, then why should it be so hard to understand what it is that stirs us with gentleness and thanksgiving on the forest trail?  The woods, to me, seem incorruptible.  But more than that, for those of us who go into the natural world, we feel a kinship and a comfort, and we are cleansed.  We may be alone in nature, but we do not feel alone.

I feel that the true character of the wilderness is not in those poetic qualities we attribute to its imaginary soul, but in what stirs in ours.

You know me.  I have a kinship with the earth that exerts a constant pull to its furthermost places — for it is here that I find a renewal of the spirit that never fails to uplift me.  I need nothing more.

 

 

By joan larsen on 04/16/2009 4:09 am
J Holmes
You put into words what I also feel.  Nature, family, friends- my church.
By J Holmes on 04/16/2009 2:03 pm
Lady Gator

Joan — As usual I am drawn to your posts.  I am a Roman Catholic.  I attend Mass each morning on my way to work.  I find peace and warmth there.  For many years I felt that I should go because I was raised a catholic.   And, then I found, through a personal expwerience, that prayer and circumstance were the answer.  Also, that there was a God who was merciful and kind.

My husband was severly injured during the Vietnam war.  When he was finally sent back to the U.S. and in an army hospital, I will never forget the shock I felt when I first saw him.  There was little hope that he would survive his wounds.  I can’t tell you how many times I talked with the Chaplin and the trips I made to the chapel.  I truly felt my life with this wonderful man was over.  When I held his hand and there was no response, my heart almost stopped beating.  I spoke to his doctor who informed me that it was now in the hands of a "higher being" and to "pray for a miracle".  I never really believed in miracles but I did believe in prayer.  And, praying I did.  For the rest of the month I badgered God all of my waking hours.  I made promises (some of which I kept) :) But mainly I just wanted this man around for the rest of my life.  Good Lord, when I think of it now, I even prayed in the bathroom.  Then I found a park not far from the hospital and, each day, I would go there, sit and pray.  Finally after, several weeks, I found that I would be more at peace when I made my daily journey.  I left his recovery in the hands of God.  And, finally, after many weeks,he responded when I squeezed his hand.  To me, it was nothing short of a miracle.  I continued making my trips to the park and to the chapel through the many weeks of therapy.  And, finally he was allowed to leave the hospital to stay in the apartment with me.  His recovery was complete and after almost 2 years we were able to return to our life. 

He stayed in the military until he retired after 20 years.  Through all these years I’ve always wondered if there would lingering effects - none have ever been noted by any doctor.  After all of this, I never dropped my faith.  If nothing else it made me stronger in my faith.  My husband kids me, "You pray for everything".  In our years in Florida, during a couple of hurricanes he said, "you’d better get out your prayer beads, this is gonna be a lulu". 

Over the years I find that I can pray anywhere.  I really believe that my experience made me a better Catholic.  And, I truly believe that without prayer and belief, I wouldn’t have this wonderful life and the opportunity for dancing in the kitchen. 

By Lady Gator on 04/16/2009 9:26 pm
joan larsen

Lady Gator — your story has touched me, let me know so much more about you - which seems important to me as we do connect so well — and yes, prayer can be anywhere, and is - and at all all hours of the day and night.  My dearest friend is more comfortable in church, refusing to miss a Sunday (not Saturday if she wants) service.  Truly, it is belief - a feeling we can never fully describe - that lies within each of us.  I think once quite some time ago I wrote you of my life-changing experience in Antarctica that was not for me alone, but for the other 98 people there with me that day. 
"Something" happened to each of us, all of us that day - a day we all called the best in our lives.  I can bring the moments up at will and know if nothing else of great note ever happened to me again, I have had it all.  We were in a cathedral of blue ice, never seen by a human before, never stepped upon ever.  Ever.  I don’t quote Bible verses, I don’t actually think often of the words "do unto others" — and yet, yet, my entire being is focused in doing just that - every single day.  I think you can find it encompassed in my writing, taking others’ negatives and somehow finding slivers of the bright side to even out the scales. 

Today I was at the U of Chicago at a doctor appointment.  His parting words to me were:  I have many many patients (he is their leading cardiologist) but I have never seen anyone like you in all my years.  I know that you have so many things going and always have.  BUT whatever it is you are doing, never never stop.  You make my day better.

To have him recognize it was wonderful.  But, like you, I carry my spiritual feelings along with me and they nurture me - and I find myself dancing in the kitchen in sheer delight.

By joan larsen on 04/16/2009 9:59 pm
Lady Gator

Joan — It’s just something that you can’t explain.  My husband and I were on a trip in the rocky mountains — he loves to take side trips, off the beaten path.  We wound around a very bad mountain road and finally ended up on the top of the mountain - I will have to admit, I was so scared my knees were wobbly when I got out of that car!  The first thing I noticed was how serene and quiet it was.  Just the wind blowing through the fir trees, an occasional chipmuck running around.  And, in the distance we could hear the screech of a hawk.  At that moment I told my husband, "It’s at moments like these that I know there is a "higher being"!  And, I always wondered if we had found a place that very few people had ever travelled. 

Last Monday evening we attended a concert.  It was a "Big Band" adventure.  All of the musicians in the band were from various bands throughout the 40’s and 50’s.  You know, Glenn Miller, The Dorsey’s, Ray Anthony, Les Brown, etc.  And, they, of course, were all well into their late 60’s and 70’s.  The music was fantastic.  They played the songs I grew up with.  They played the songs my mother and dad danced to.  And, when they played "I’ll be seeing you" I thought of them as it was their love song.  And, the part you would really have enjoyed was the people dancing in the aisles.  In fact the aisles were so jammed that people were dancing in front of their seats.  So much fun.  And, at times, not a dry eye in the house.

So last Monday night we danced in the aisles instead of the kitchen!  :)

By Lady Gator on 04/17/2009 12:44 pm
joan larsen

Talk about coincidences.  Only this morning, I sent this newspaper column, written by the colunist who is my best friend - and you will see how it fits with your words:

On the vintage movie channel the other day, a woman I met more than 30 years ago swept across the screen in an out of the arms of Fred Astaire.

You could not have mistaken Ginger Rogers, the actress and dancer.  I last saw her on spring day in downtown Minnepolis after she held my arm mischievously on her way to an elevator in the old Sheraton Ritz Hotel. A telephone call interrupted my undivided vigil inn front of the television set, and  I had to leave it to talk in another room. When I returned Ginger Rogers had danced out of the kitchen, and the film was over.

My disappointment was real, but it invited a few moments of  remembrance. People who have spent a lifetime in daily journalism, as I did, frequently are asked about the most memorable celebrity in their experience. If you’d spent 45 years in it, the range could be broad-kings, presidents, generals, quarterbacks and more. I invariably answer the question with “Ginger Rogers,” and a story.

She was the visiting guest at a downtown Minneapolis style show in which I was the co-host. We did an interview on stage and she made one or two cameo appearances later, but we had time to chat backstage. She was a delight, animated and curious. She was staying for another two days to promote a fashion line and asked if I knew of a jogging route downtown where she could run safely. Did I know of someone who would like to be her jogging partner. I said I thought she’d never ask.

I showed  up in the hotel lobby the next morning in my burgundy jogging trunks and t-shirt. She flowed out of the elevator looking gorgeous in her running suit, and men in the lobby melted.  I gave her my arm en route to the exit. Scores of eyes peered at the scene in the lobby in astonishment. We jogged up the Nicollet Mall, around tiny Loring Lake and returned down the Mall, where she stopped to admire a storefront. The day was warm and glorious. People began gathering. Impulsively she asked if I’d like to do a few steps. Naturally, I was horrified. “Ginger Rogers, I dance like a sleepwalking rhino.”  She scoffed, so we danced. The crowd applauded. She beamed and cuffed me on the cheek.

At our  breakfast snack  at the hotel she was a marvelous companion. Near the end I said, “the movie of yours that I…” She laughed and interrupted. “You liked ‘I’ll Be Seeing You.’ How did she know? “Fellows your age,” she said, “always ask about that movie,” It was a love story with Joseph Cotton, which I saw as a 16-year-old and was inflamed by the possibilities of romantic love. “I’ll bet you remember some of the lyrics,” she teased. I nodded. She cued me and I talked it through:  ”I’ll be seeing you, in all the old familiar places, that this heart of mine embraces” I paused. She finished “In that small café, the park across the way…the childeren’s carousel…the chestnut tree, the wishing well.” The entire dining room, eavesdropping, lit with applause. When she died 20 years later, I wrote, remembering how she left the table. She tweaked my arm and said “I’ll be seeing you.” And so she might.

__________

Isn’t it a wonderful story???

 

 

By joan larsen on 04/17/2009 9:56 pm
Libra Lady
Lady G…what a beautiful story, as I’m reaching for a tissue…..God Bless you and your husband…I truly believe in prayer….I pray many times a day…and I know God hears me and that’s all I need to know to get through the day!  Thank you for sharing your story and validating my own beliefs!!! 
By Libra Lady on 04/17/2009 8:50 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe

There is a tinkling of bells from a little Russian church, situated on a knoll, under tall trees. The grass in the church yard lies gray and dead, but there are fresh pussy-willows on a solitary, isolated grave. Inside, the rude wooden floor has been strewed with balsam twigs, and an odor of the Western Christmas mingles with the incense of the oriental church. The burnished metal of many icons reflects the flickering candle-light, and a long ray of sunshine drives down from a window in the little dome, over the heads of the gathering congregation. From the sight of these drab peasants, staring at the icons, crossing themselves, shuffling the balsam twigs under foot as they wait their turn the commencement of the service, one can sense the full necessity of their presence here. One can feel their need for the glittering things, for all the light and color which is so completely lacking in the smoky cabins and bleak fields, and which the Church, and the Church alone, is in a position to give them. They do not understand the service, but they see the gilt and the roses and the candles; they hear the chanting and the singing; and they go away with the comforting feeling of there being a world…somewhere and somehow…less ugly than their own.

From Sketches From a Life

 George Kennan

By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 04/16/2009 8:05 am
Sam Mirando

"One can feel their need for the glittering things, for all the light and color which is so completely lacking in the smoky cabins and bleak fields, and which the Church, and the Church alone, is in a position to give them. They do not understand the service, but they see the gilt and the roses and the candles; they hear the chanting and the singing; and they go away with the comforting feeling of there being a world…somewhere and somehow…less ugly than their own."

A perfect quotation, Phyllis, which explains the power of religion both historically and at the present time.  However, just because people feel a need to believe in a better place and a benevolent God (and most Christians ignore the fact that the God of the Old Testament was frequently far from benevolent), that doesn’t mean that a God (or many Gods) exists. 

People with fervent beliefs in one particular religious system should give some thought to what they would believe if they had been brought up in another.  A fundamentalist Christian, born, instead, into a Hindu family?  An Orthodox Jew, born, instead, into a Shinto family.  A Muslim, born, instead, into a Jain family.

A friend told me, when I suggested this to her, that "Jesus walks with me in my mind."  When I responded that she sounded like a five-year-old child with an imaginary friend, she was unable to disagree.

The only "religious" precept that we need was, however, explained by a Jewish prophet some 2000 years ago, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."  Everything else that is important for a moral life follows naturally and doesn’t require any belief in the supernatural or the divine.

By Sam Mirando on 04/16/2009 8:54 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe

Sam: I entered that quote because it has to do with churches and because it is written with such empathy and beauty. But to respond to your comment I give you this––another quote:

…The idea, therefore, that religious faith is somehow a sacred human convention––distinguished, as it is, both by the extravagance of its claims and by the paucity of its evidence––is really too great a monstrosity to be appreciated in all its glory. Religious faith represents so uncompromising a misuse of the power of our minds that it forms a kind of perverse, cultural singularity––a vanishing point beyond which rational discourse proves impossible. When foisted upon each generation anew, it renders us incapable of realizing just how much of our past has been unnecessarily ceded to a dark and barbarous past. (Sam Harris)

 

By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 04/16/2009 9:51 am
Sam Mirando

Another perfect quote, and I love Sam Harris.  His book "The End of Faith" is brilliant.  As Natalie Angier wrote:

”The End of Faith articulates the dangers and absurdities of organized religion so fiercely and so fearlessly that I felt relieved as I read it, vindicated, almost personally understood… Harris writes what a sizable number of us think, but few are willing to say in contemporary America… This is an important book, on a topic that, for all its inherent difficulty and divisiveness, should not be shielded from the crucible of human reason.”
Natalie Angier, The New York Times Book Review

As you know, vast numbers of people have been murdered (burned at the stake by the Inquisition; exterminated by the Nazis; killed in Iraqi sectarian violence - to name but three examples) in the name of religion.  Harris explains how the past predicts the future and how religion and its offspring, fundamentalism, may destroy us all.

By Sam Mirando on 04/16/2009 10:12 am
Agyness O

The past does predict the future and I, too, find "The End of Faith" by Sam Harris a timely focus on the irrationality of religious faith.

 "His expose of faith-based unreason-from the religious fanaticism of Islamic suicide bombers to the secular fanaticism of Noarm Chomsky-is a clarion call for reasoned debate in this age of terrorism." Alan Dershowitz, professor of law at Harvard University

By Agyness O on 04/16/2009 12:45 pm