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Q & A | 04/01/2009 11:05 am

Lesley Stahl Asks Patti Davis: Did President Reagan Know About Your Reconciliation With Your Mother?

By Lesley Stahl
Photo: Harry Benson

Editor’s Note: Author Patti Davis, daughter of former President Ronald Reagan and First Lady Nancy, joined wOw’s Lesley Stahl to talk about her new book, The Lives Our Mothers Leave Us, her relationship with the former First Lady and her advice for the Sasha and Malia Obama. Stahl also interviewed Patti for "CBS Sunday Morning" recently. Click here to see the clip.

LESLEY: Patti Davis, welcome to wowOwow.com.

PATTI: Thank you.

LESLEY:  As many of our readers know, Patti, you gave me an in-depth interview with your signature candor for "CBS Sunday Morning" — by the way, Patti, you looked beautiful — and I thought we could just continue our conversation here online — and we don’t even have to wear makeup.

PATTI: Cool. Because I’m not wearing any.

LESLEY: I cannot tell a lie. I’m at the office. Anyway, Patti has written a book about mothers and daughters, called The Lives Our Mothers Leave Us.

And I knew that even when she’s gone, she’ll never be gone, because our mothers live so deep inside us.

PATTI: Yes.

LESLEY: And I will confess to everybody that I was crying by page two, and not because it’s sad, but because it struck a chord, and a really deep one. So let’s start, Patti, by you telling us why you decided to write this book.

PATTI: Well, it snuck up on me actually. I was in the middle of writing a novel, which I finished at the same time that I was doing this book. The novel’s a ghost story called The Blue Hour, and I was deep into that and I found myself at my mother’s house all by myself — well, me and my dog, Gracie. My mother had left for the Ford funeral.

LESLEY: Gerald Ford’s funeral?

PATTI: Yes. And the housekeeper hadn’t arrived yet and it’s unusual to be alone in that house; I never had been. I walked through the house and it was very moving. My father died in that house, and my mother is deep into her 80s. And I knew that even when she’s gone, she’ll never be gone, because our mothers live so deep inside us. And I went home and I jotted down some things on a yellow pad, not really thinking I would do a book but that’s just what writers do. If things come to you and you know that they’re a good story, to write them down. So I wrote down some memories, impressions, and then I started just thinking about really visible, prominent, accomplished women; women in whose  presence I feel humbled. Then I thought, “Wow, you know, they’re daughters, too.” 

LESLEY: Right.

PATTI: We tend to think of people in the box of their accomplishments, but they grew up with mothers and they have had their journeys as daughters as well, and this book sort of started to form in my mind. I mentioned it to a couple of friends and they said, “Oh, you’ve got to do this book.” And I said, “I don’t want to do this book right now because I’m writing a novel. I don’t want to do this right now.” But I knew I had to, so I ended up doing both books at the same time. At around this same time, I had come upon a quote from one of Frank Bidart’s poems, which I put in the beginning of the book: “What your parents leave you is their lives.” Hence the title, The Lives Our Mothers Leave Us.

LESLEY: It’s a powerful book, and I wasn’t kidding when I said it brought me to tears by page two because of one of the things you say. It’s on page two. Here’s the quote; it’s going to show everybody what a good writer you are: “Our mothers stand behind us at the mirror, trail our footsteps, tap on our shoulders. If you burrow under the surface of any woman you will find what her mother thought about her.” 

PATTI: Yep.

LESLEY: Wow, now that is big. You’re basically saying that this is, by far, the most formative of all our relationships. Their imprint is on us forever.

28 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Jeannot Kensinger

Thank you Leslie, this interview was worth reading ans answering.

Back to the old WOW

By Jeannot Kensinger on 04/02/2009 8:51 am
Jessie Bowdoin
I’ve had the experience of being a daughter and a daughter-in-law by 2 husbands. Looking back and going over in my mind the mothering style of the 3 mothers. Each had different ones due to different kinds of marriages. Each thinking they were doing the right things in raising their children. Yet their children grew up carrying emotional baggage into their marriages. And we all survived it to become responsible adults. I consider all 3 mothers strong women. And myself a somewhat strong mother producing a strong daughter. Wondering what she thinks of her mother and self.
By Jessie Bowdoin on 04/02/2009 12:36 pm
Bonnie Oliver

I have to disagree with a general thread that runs through the article - that it is the mothers who have to change and who have to learn to respect their daughters.  I do not agree with that thread.  Mothers, for the most part and unless they have a special psychosis,  always love their daughters.  It is the daughters who pull away from their parents thinking they are not understood.  It is only through the constant love of a mother, that a daughter knows that all she has to do is make one small effort at reconciliation, and all barriers are withdrawn.  But to make that effort is the key.  Daughters who think that they are unloved, unappreciated and not respected, have a high hurdle to overcome and are only able to make that leap when they mature enough to realize that their mothers are also individual beings and were not always simply "Mom".

I agree with some of the other posters that as for Patti Davis, her estrangement from her parents was of her own choice.  Her first novel of the Cranfield family was an attempt to find a place for herself among her very busy, politically conscience, attractive and accomplished parents.  Hard to do for a sensitive young girl who was sent to boarding school.  And she found fault with her parents and held on to her disappointment and then made an attempt to embarrass them with that novel.   Was she encouraged to do so by those who disagreed with her father’s politics?  Probably.

In the political realm to which her parents belonged, Ms. Davis was pretty much ignored.  So was Ron.  As for Michael and Maureen, even though both were adopted and their parents soon divorced, they were able to maintain a familial relationship with their father that is more to their credit than that of their father.  Would Patti and Ron have felt abandoned because of their parent’s ambitions?  Possibly.  But would not a separation have occurred anyway because both Patti and Ron did not share their father’s political philosophy.  Did they respect their parents, did they honor them?  Were they independent enough to form their own opinions and not be influenced by the Hollywood community that did not favor Reagan?   Yet, they continued to love their parents as the parents always continued to love their children.  Patti and Ron just had to find the right words to effect a reconciliation;  after all, there really was not an estrangement from the point of view of their parents. 

By Bonnie Oliver on 04/02/2009 1:44 pm
J Holmes
Correction_ Maureen was not adopted, she was the daughter of Jane Wyman and Ronald Reagan.
By J Holmes on 04/02/2009 2:47 pm
Bonnie Oliver
J Holmes,   Of course.  Thank you.
By Bonnie Oliver on 04/02/2009 3:09 pm
J Holmes
Wonderful interview - would like to see more of this on the site.  Twenty-eight years ago while I was pregnant with my 1st child a very good friend had just given birth to her 1st daughter.  She told me that when she became a mother she then realized how much her mother loved her. Another time I read in a magazine (unfortunately I can not remember the name or the author) a quote " When I became a mother, I forgave my mother".   The mother-daughter relationship is very powerful, unfortunately for some not in a good way.  I am so happy I havea good relationship with my mother and my daughters.  Yes, there were a few hard times but we all grew from the experiences.
By J Holmes on 04/02/2009 2:54 pm
J Holmes
PS I realize now that my relationship with my mother became so much stronger once I became a mother.  I remember at one time thinking she is my best friend.  We moved to CA 2 weeks before my youngest (a daughter) started high school and she was the only one at home full time.  Every day we spent an hour in the car going to and from her school and we talked a lot - actually I listened.  One day she calmly announced that I was her best friend.  I calmly took it in and did not act surprised - I wanted her to think that was the "normal".  She is now a freshman in college and the relationship  is wonderful.  I often wonder if it would have been different if we had not moved.
By J Holmes on 04/02/2009 9:52 pm
Kawaki Braun
Maureen was not Patti’s stepsister, she was her half-sister.  
By Kawaki Braun on 04/03/2009 1:03 pm
macwoof woof
well done. 
By macwoof woof on 04/03/2009 11:53 pm
Andrea Brandon
I don’t recall the line verbatim, but in the movie "he Joy Luck Club" an adult daughter is having a heavy conversation with her mother and says to her, "You have no idea the power you have."
By Andrea Brandon on 04/05/2009 8:05 pm
alyse myers

What a wonderful, wonderful interview — and it sounds like a terrific book.  I can’t wait to read it.

I agree with J. Holmes’ quote:  "When I became a mother, I forgave my mother."

I had a terrible relationship with my mother growing up — and it started to turn when we finally had something in common.  And that was when I had a daughter of my own.

Sadly, we didn’t have time to really repair our relationship as she was to die soon after my daughter was born.  I wish we could have started all over — but it was too late. 

If I’m a good mother now — and I hope I am at least on most days — I have to give some credit to my mother.  I’ve tried so hard to learn from her mistakes with me.  And vice versa.

Alyse Myers

By alyse myers on 04/06/2009 10:19 am
Patricia Sprofera
A wonderfully thoughtful and insightful article.  Let’s have more of the same on WOW.
By Patricia Sprofera on 04/06/2009 2:46 pm