Conversation | 04/27/2009 12:00 am
The wOw Conversation: The Ins, Outs and In Betweens of a Mother's Love

LESLEY: I read a book the other day. I can’t tell you who it’s by because I’m going to do a story on it. But the book is about mothers and daughters, written from the daughter’s perspective; and a daughter who is older, not a young woman. The point really is that whether you had a good relationship or a bad relationship; whether you ended up friends or not, the mother relationship is still the most vital, deep, formative, painful – whatever – relationship that any woman has. And that if you’ve had a difficult relationship, and your mother’s still alive, it’s very important that you find a way to resolve it, because it can leave a hole inside you.
MARY: But if you think about it, you’re talking about two women. And two women understand each other better than women and men, because men are a different species altogether. You can get really close to your daughter. You can get into each other’s heads and hearts and stuff because you’re two women who are willing to open up your minds and open up your hearts.
SHEILA: But Lesley, you know, I think there are two relationships with a mother. One is when your mother is living, and you’re maybe not measuring up, and you’re maybe damaging each other in some way, certainly in my case. And there’s a relationship when your mother dies, and you have a child of your own, and you begin to see things about being a mother that you didn’t have the insight to see when you were just a daughter. So I always feel like I’ve had two mothers – one that I lived with, that I fought with and tried to survive with; and then one that I understood after I, myself, was a mother, because my mother had died so very young.
| And then you let go and then they come back, and then you hold too tight. So it’s kind of like a seesaw. It’s never the right hold ... |
LESLEY: But then when you became a mother it was easier, don’t you think – infinitely easier – to forgive your own mother?
SHEILA: Yes, totally. And to feel sorry that I hadn’t understood how much this connection meant to her. Because I wanted to be free and I wanted to be approved of. And, you know, it’s almost impossible to let go when you are a mother because you love so very, very much. And what I possibly interpreted as possessive and controlling was really just her loving me.
JANE: Trying to protect you, right?
SHEILA: Yes, protecting. And not seeing you grow up. It’s very hard for a mother to see her child grow up, because you become less useful.
JANE: Sheila, Lesley and Mary, some of you have written about your relationships with your children. Mary, I recall, I’ve met your daughter. And I loved seeing how warm and playful you are with each other. Candice, too seems so close to Chloe. My feeling is that you all have good relationships with your children.
MARY: Absolutely true. And I had a terrific relationship with my mother. It’s my father who gave me problems.
LESLEY: Well, what I liked about this book is this daughter, finally, coming to understand how much she, as a child, had provoked her mother into yelling at her, even hitting her. How much the child wanted to get to her mother. And boy, I read the book and was in tears, because I could see myself. Things I didn’t understand until I read the book.
JANE: Isn’t that sometimes just classically developmental? Don’t teenagers have to rebel, just to find their own identity?
LESLEY: But not to the point where you make your mother hit you. I
never did that. Did anybody here do that, go that far? This was a girl
who was doing it every day. But I just find the subject so compelling
for every women. We’re always daughters.
























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One day, when you feel the timing is right and you’re not actively angry at her, you might try an "I" conversation - you know, "Mom, I feel that you don’t respect my opinions or feelings and it hurts me very much." This approach (as learned over years of therapy) seems to have better results than the "you" conversation: "You make me so angry because you don’t respect my opinions or feelings." There’s a small chance that she may be unaware of how much she hurts you and feels that she’s "helping" you. But I’m a bit of a cynic and I don’t know how she could be completely clueless to your unhappiness. Most parents aren’t that obtuse. I may not be able to always discern exactly what my grown son is thinking or feeling, but I can tell when he’s not happy.
You asked at "what point do you say it is too late ande just let it be." Here’s the unpleasant fact: you’re not going to change your mother, and it’s unlikely that she’s going to change herself at her age. Your best bet, julia, is try to make peace with the idea that you may never have the level of approval (or "respect") that you crave from your mother. Make the best decisions you can for your own sake and do your best to be satisfied with them. Try to see the good things in your mother, although it is probably a challenge with the negative vibe she seems to put out. I’m sure your mother loves you in her own way. Unfortunately, it’s just not your way.
Best wishes.
I suffered mother burn-out at a relatively young age. That’s what happens when you’ve gone through 3 of them by 18.
1. My biological mother was mentally ill. She was a major manic/depressive who refused to keep up with her meds or therapy. Instead, she self-medicated with alcohol and lots of recreational drugs. She also married and divorced 3 times. She was an "absent" mother. I don’t remember having many direct interactions with her, but I do remember just watching her a lot. I can tell about the peculiar way she age potato chips, and I can tell you that she loved Elton John, and I can tell you she slept A LOT - but I can’t really tell you what she was like as a mother. She blew her head off with a .357 Magnum when I was 16.
2. My biological mom let me go to her brother and his wife when I was 9. The legal adoption was finalized when I was 11. My second "mother" was an ugly-natured woman who didn’t want me in her house. She told me almost every day how "bad" I was, how much like my real mother, how fat, how crazy I was. Her favorite thing was slapping me across the face for a perceived "bad look" and then making me tell her I loved her. I escaped from that house when I was 17.
3. I went into a foster home at 17, and spent about 1 1/2 years there. My foster mother was only 10 years older than me and childless - so it was much more like having an older sister. We got along great, and I adored her. Finally, I had a home where I felt at home and one happy year in high school. I’m grateful to my foster mom to this day. Thanks, Diana!
4. Now, long-married, and 45 years old, I have a mother-in-law. She’s wonderful; everything I always thought a mother should be. She’s warm and affectionate, and loves to "take care" of the family with lots of great meals and an old house to sit in and chat for hours … or just take naps. Whatever. She’s a tiny lady who, when she hugs me, hits me at about the center of my breast bone. I tower over her, but will bend to her loving nature any day.
Thank you, phyllis. I appreciate it!
All things considered, 2 out of 4 isn’t bad. *grin*
I wrote this for my own blog, but thought I would share it with the ladies at WOW also, Happy Mother’s Day to all in your various forms.
Mother’s ScentTake a teacup of a rose, raised to the sun and watch it unfold, this is the promise and hope of the mother. On one very special day each year, the mother honored with a special lift of cheer. A mother goes far beyond the birth of a child, a mother the nurturer born of desire. A mother, an aunt, a friend, an admirer all are honored this day for the desire to see the children they hold so dear, remembrance of the heart and years.
Starting at birth and without end, a mother’s love, past all life transcends. The whisper, the touch, you long too once again feel, becomes the song or brush of the cheek once again. A mother’s love always lives, the life of an energy who only knew how to give.
On this day, a mother’s heart takes many ways of feeling the joy, the loss, the pain, of being the child, the mother and graced. From the mother energy which is not with you now, or the tear on the cheek remembering a child beyond the clouds.
For they have not gone far away, remaining close to you in a circular praise of the love of the mother, tried and true, a connective energy that raises you. Parties, picnics, and gatherings of another day, special to the heart as you hesitate to allow such memories now to be a part of your way.
Today Mother Mary has gathered in truth, the mother energy she has given to you. Birthed, of a teacup rose to spread through you, the universal love, only mother energy can do. A mother stands close to her love of desire on this day, whether here or there, or thought to be far away. The children who have gone beyond touch of mother’s today, fill the heart, and help her remember the way, as an infant so small and beautifully smooth, the touch once again, touches you.
Cherubs and saints gather in song, to anchor the energy of a mother’s love, to you they belong. For they have not passed beyond the hearts gate, today their love is only in wait. Cherubs holding teacups, elders in full bloom, the scent of the rose, the mother’s love for you. As you have read this, now hold your hands cupped to your face, smell the rose scent of a mother’s embrace.
Blessings,
Have a wonderful sweetly scented Mother’s Day
My relationship with my mother has been characterized by mixed feelings, on some levels, but it has always been rooted in a deep love. While I have always seen characteristics in my mother that I do not want to possess myself, I have always been aware of the love that exists between a mother and child. As I mature, I often marvel at this type of love.
I had to attend the high school where my mother taught English. I vividly remember the first day of my first year at this school. Because I am…ahem..’vertically challenged’ I decided to navigate my way down the hall past her classroom by hiding in the middle of a large crowd of students. As I was shrinking my shoulders down, looking at the ground—all the while hurrying as fast as I could—that familiar voice rang out: "There she is! Melanie…MELANIE!". Immediately after this, I heard the low gruff voices of some older boys say "That’s HER! THERE SHE IS!". With that moment, my hellacious freshman year began. It was miserable because, not only was I bullied because of who I was (and I developed a deep resentment against my mother as well as my tormenters), hearing insults directed at my mother by these people HURT…I loved her, and I had an up-close-and-personal look at the sort of abuse that she as a teacher had to take on a daily basis. It broke my heart. The torrent of emotion stirred up by this hurt, my resentment of my mother for making me go to this school, the terror of the upper classmen’s bullying, along with all the other hormonally-charged issues inherent to being a teenager, made that year the longest of my life. The one thing I remember realizing most is how much I do love my mother (I was the youngest of 4, and mama had gone back to school to get her master’s fairly soon after my arrival; frankly, we had never really been that close). Up to that point, I had always been aware of her faults, as sized up in my juvenile estimation…hearing virtual strangers levelling insults, and unfair cruel judgements made me start to see her in a different light.
Once I got through high school (and boy was I ready to get oout of my parents’ house) I attended Birmingham-Southern college. I had the most enjoyable class of my entire colliagate career my first term; it was called "Ethical Choice". Among the many philosophical topics we disscussed was ‘love’…and the types of love (eros, philos, etc.)…what the definitions of love MEAN. I remember our class had a spirited discussion regarding agape, in particular. After spending a significant amount of time in Sunday school and church, I felt secure in my knowledge of the subject, I duly contribited my opinion on the subject, wrote an eloquent paper, and was rewarded with an "A".
Years later, when I had my first child, I reflected back on that class, and how remedial my knowledge of agape was. When I had my first ultrsound showing that my baby was indeed implanted in the right place (I had an ectopic pregnancy a few years earlier)…and when I first felt him move inside me…when I was admitted to the hospital and saw his heartbeat decreasing on the fetal monitor and realized I was going to have an emergency c-section a month early….all these things made me feel agape. I felt that selfless love for another person within the marrow of my bones, down to every fiber of my being. The terror I felt that something might happen to him was all-encompassing. Once I had him, and I held his little hand, and when, FINALLY, I could hold him after three days, I thought about this love… primary, primordial, timeless, and the most powerful force on earth. Beyond cold ration, it is the reason we are all here. That selfless love, agape, was no longer a mere textbook definition.
Three years later I was again awestruck at the birth of my daughter, this poweful love multiplied! There were two little people who I would do anything for and who I love unconditionally. Having my own children changed my relationship with my own parents dramatically. I never fully appreciated them until I became a parent.
So, on this Mother’s day I want to celebrate this wonderous, powerful, and sustaining love that exists between a mother and her children. That which flows between my grandmother (she just turned 102), to my mother, through me, and down to my own teenaged son and daughter. To me, this love provides a window to the past, joy to the present, and intimations of immortality. Happy Mother’s Day to one and all!
My mother died a long time ago. She was sweet and kind but totally devoted to my father. As the eldest child, I had too many responsibilities, like being in charge of my baby brother and two year old sister when I was only six myself. - I left the old country (Germany) when I was 24 and started a brand new life.
I have the most wonderful relationship with my daughter whom I raised to be a very independent human being. But when she was little, I was always right behind her to catch her. As an only child, she went to a private college out of town. I encouraged her to have this type of social experience. Later on, she went to graduate school in Monterey which I encouraged her to do. I was happy but sad when she spent an entire college year abroad for the language and cultural experience, but my car ‘in hook’ for the trip to visit her, at here request.
She came home after graduate school and lived with me. After a few years I said to her: Honey, it’s time for you to have an investment. Single women need to invest in property. Within a month she bought her very nice town house. I realized that she was waiting for me to encourage her and was afraid to hurt my feelings. I am grateful to my fate that I have such a loving child…..
My relationship with my mother has always been a struggle and this year my relationship with my son is a struggle, too.
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