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George Sodini, Gym Shooting | 08/06/2009 10:10 am

Pennsylvania Gym Shooter George Sodini Had Pent-Up Rage Toward Women (Video)

Videos and online diaries of 48-year-old gunman show he was a disturbed man who hadn’t had a date in years, and who clearly had trouble connecting with women.
By The Staff at wowOwow.com
YouTube

We’re hearing more disturbing news coming out of Pennsylvania after a reclusive gunman walked into a local gym with three guns, killing three women, wounding nine others, then killing himself.

Everyone is trying to understand the motives behind 48-year-old gunman George Sodini of Carnegie, PA, which is just a few miles from the L.A. Fitness Club where his Tuesday rampage took place. What we now know, however, is that Sodini’s run of bad luck with women seems to have fueled his hatred for them.

Sodini made videos of himself in which he talked about his difficulty connecting with women, how he was trying to be more "emotional" for them and how he just doesn’t understand why women don’t like him, and posted the videos on YouTube. In one of the videos, books on how to date women can be seen. "My objective is to be real and to be emotional … because when I’m ten to 20 years older than she is, she has to feel good about this thing," Sodini says in one video.

ABC News reports
that Sodini briefly considered halting his shooting, according to his online blog. He wrote that if a particular woman he admired would be his girlfriend, he would "cancel this plan or put [it] on hold, at least for a while." We still don’t know who that woman is.

"At the gym I saw a woman I like. I see her at the park-and-ride sometimes, so she isn’t a stranger. Occationaly [sic] she makes good eye contact and smiles, etc. She is maybe 40ish, and attractive to me," Sodini wrote. "I made brief conversation to her and a younger woman she was with today. To get a friend like her (and for night time action) I would cancel this plan, or put on hold, at least for a while."

Sodini’s website diary even referred to his plan to randomly kill women and himself. He said he hadn’t had sex since 1990. The Philadelphia Enquirer says the often rambling entries showed a man full of hopelessness, one who loathed women, religion, his family, blacks, coworkers, life and himself. Police said Sodini once belonged to a church but stopped attending after an incident in 2006, during which a pastor said he had "overreached" with a woman.

"It’s of no surprise to me that he’s targeting women … the leader of this [exercise] class was about to be a mother," one mental-health expert told MSNBC this morning, adding that perhaps Sodini’s own mother treated him poorly. "It’s this perfect storm of having severe depression, mild rage, he felt like he was being bullied."

Patricia Cowen lived across the street from George Sodini. She learned that he wrote about her daughter, referring to her as "a long haired, hot little hottie with a beautiful bod." The thought that this man lived so close to her family and was watching them was "devastating," she told CBS News.

"It’s just so overwhelming," Cowen said. "Just the idea of somebody like that thinking like that for a young girl. My daughter is a college student, and, you know, just to think if I would lose somebody like that, I don’t know what I would do."

This horrible tragedy happened at a gym, where we go to work out some stress and try to relax. Does this shooting make you question the safety and comfort level at your own gym?

Here’s one video Sodini made, during which he talks about trying to find a woman:

54 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Laura Ward
I would feel sorry for him had he not turned his loneliness into rage, hate and murder. There are others simmering like him I’m sure…about other reasons to rage, hate and murder.
By Laura Ward on 08/06/2009 10:39 am
Green Tears
The level of disturbance here is horrible - this guy needed help for a long time, probably since childhood. It’s a shame that experiences with his own mother stirred up such violent hatred toward all women in him. Viewing the YouTube piece, he looks normal and seems to communicate in an articulate manner - awful to think about what drove him to commit his senseless crime. 
By Green Tears on 08/06/2009 10:41 am
Grande Camper
Mental disturbance + guns = trouble.
By Grande Camper on 08/06/2009 10:48 am
Sherry Dale

Anybody at ANY time can come unglued.  Life is tough, it is full of challenges and dispair.  If you try to make positives out of all the crap we are bombarded with everyday, then your attitude will reflect this.  It is all in how you perceive this world.

 If you continue to live in victim mode as this jerk has and so many other jerk’s out there, then you can easily fuel your fire.  The trick is treating life as a gift and making the most out of everything that is thrown your way.

By Sherry Dale on 08/06/2009 10:49 am
Eldebbo C

according to his on-line blog, and he posted YOU TUBE videos !!!! I wonder who watched these videos and read these blogs, and did not alert authorities about concern that this guy might actually go through with his threat.

The above video isn’t too alarming so I wonder if his other ones gave insight on what he planned to do????

By Eldebbo C on 08/06/2009 11:15 am
Mary Quite-Contrary

I live in the Pittsburgh area.  Our local news went into live coverage when this occurred Tuesday night.  It was horrific.

As far as I know, the guns were legally obtained and registered. 

The guns were not the problem…Sodini’s massive psychosis was and is.

If you look at the front of the LA Fitness Center, huge glass windows…so…if the psychotic, delusional, suicidal Sodini didn’t have a gun, but still wanted to kill/hurt alot of women (there is a second floor balcony area with only one staircase for egress) what would have stopped him from from driving his car (lets say rigged with explosives or full of gas cans) into the building—thru those windows—and killings/maiming that way?

 Its has been said over and over (any by, ironically, Pennsylvania’s liberal Democratic Governor, Ed Rendell) ‘you cannot legislate against crazy.’

He is right.  You cannot.  Sodini wanted to kill and hurt women.  He did.  If he didn’t use a gun, he could have used a vehicle; or set a fire; or done something his irrational, psychotic thoughts lead him to.

By Mary Quite-Contrary on 08/06/2009 11:24 am
Deena B.
I couldn’t bring myself to watch the video.  I always wonder why people like this can’t just do themselves in without taking other innocent people with them.  Like Laura Ward, I could sympathize if it weren’t for that. 
By Deena B. on 08/06/2009 11:47 am
Andrea Brandon

What better place than an excercise place when women with nice bodies were working out.

Why can’t they do themselves in without harming others? Usually because they need to feel power for earlier situations that left them powerless.

I heard something on the news today: apparently his mother was Atilla the Hun. [I don’t know if this has been verified.]

By Andrea Brandon on 08/07/2009 10:45 pm
MK P

To me, this is a classic example of what "hate" can do to a person.   I can’t imagine being so alienated from all who one comes in contact with —  I think certainly don’t feel any pity for the man.   It seems that rather than asking himself what about him caused women not to relate to him — he blamed the women.   

The truth is — if someone wants to kill people, they don’t need a gun — I remember when I lived in Phoenix, there was a guy there who poisoned the bottled water cooler used by an entire office just to kill his ex-wife.

By MK P on 08/06/2009 12:06 pm
C Hardy

"The truth is — if someone wants to kill people, they don’t need a gun — I remember when I lived in Phoenix, there was a guy there who poisoned the bottled water cooler used by an entire office just to kill his ex-wife."

MK - Exactly!  If this guy wanted to hurt or kill women he was going to do it.  Anyway he did it is a tragedy.

By C Hardy on 08/06/2009 12:44 pm
Belinda Joy

I know so many men like this guy…..so many. I usually don’t have a lot of sympathy for people who commit suicide but decide to take others with them. And the only thing I can think of that explains why I feel so bad for him is because he reminds me of so many men I know and have known.

The good that will come from this tragic event is that a lot of men who see themselves in him, will hopefully recognize their thought process is skewed and decide to get some help.

By Belinda Joy on 08/06/2009 1:50 pm
Anna Moss

Yes, there are many men [and boys] like this.  

No, they will not recognize their own pathology. Denial is at the heart of abuse.

These people are wired differently because they were damaged as babies. In most cases, they do not get better. Drugs, surgery, talk therapy do not work. They grow up to be intractable abusers, pedophiles, hard core addicts and serial murderers.

The good that could come from this tragic event is that people will realize there are those who move among us who are not like us, no matter how ‘normal’ they appear. Appearances can be deceiving.

Individually and collectively, we need to get discernment about this silent plague in our society if we’re ever going to apply meaningful remedies. Millions of lives and billions of dollars are being wasted by the damage that the George Sodinis of the world leave in their wake.

I know.

By Anna Moss on 08/06/2009 3:32 pm
Belinda Joy

I disagree with you Anna, as I said I know MANY men like this and they are not abusers (as he wasn’t) because they don’t have relationships with women, they only wish they could. They aren’t pedophiles (because they don’t have physical interactions with other human on any level) and they aren’t addicts (because like him, most of these men believe in fitness and keeping their bodies in shape because they equate their physical health with their mental health) and as for being serial murderers…hmmm…maybe.

What you need to understand Anna is that there are millions of people in this world who suffer from depression and isolation. They work along side you and me, and as is my case, I have business associates and male friends who never date (but want to) have difficultly being authentic and real with other people, but are super great at their jobs and professions. They look normal (whatever that means) yet every person who comes in contact with these people would describe them as "loners"

Appearances can indeed be deceiving. However your harsh description of people like this man who suffered (because it is clear his life was not one of joy and contentment) with depression, isolation and a huge case of persecution, need mental health intervention. You see him as the lowest forms we identify men we despise as, based on what I have read and seen about him….like I said, I know him. I get it, and I feel sorry that he didn’t have someone to intervene before his insanity drove him to kill and harm others and then ultimately take his own life.

By Belinda Joy on 08/06/2009 4:54 pm
Anna Moss

Actually, we don’t know whether Sobino had actually ‘abused’ or not. This may come out as the investigation unfolds. His postings suggest a disposition that would be inclined to harassment and stalking, which is considered a form of abuse. But as you say, we don’t know.

Regardless of that, his final act was textbook for abusers.

Belinda, my comments were about abusive persons—-not isolated, lonely or depressed persons. However, depression and loneliness are no excuse for what Sobino did. Nor is a person’s appearance or performance in their day job any guarantee of character.

Many people may feel sorry for Sobino. He is to be pitied and so are his victims. Feeling compassion is normal. When you are dealing with an abusive individual, it is a TRAP.

As far as intervention with severe cases of the types I mentioned previously, it’s rarely effective because they have been organically damaged in infancy and the window is closed. In other words, they are brain damaged. They only get worse.

If the warning signs were easy to see and the agenda was easy to escape, we would not have millions of women and girls being harmed by their intimate partner every year. It’s a national epidemic. And a personal tragedy. I know. www.relationshipredflags.com

By Anna Moss on 08/06/2009 6:41 pm
Belinda Joy

I understand and agree with you about men who are abusive and dysfunctional in regard to women and children. The question that begs to be answered in regard to your initial post on this subject is, why you chose to group him in as a pedophile, abuser, addict and serial murderer?

None of the initial information even remotely points to any of these situations. To the contrary. The news on him (even as I type this) is that he was a staunch loner, steady employed and hard worker, inept with women, depressed and a huge persecution complex. How and why in your mind does that translate to all of the definitions you described?

There are millions of women in the world who are loners, who just like him haven’t dated or had sex since 1990. Women who work out religiously at the gyn to keep fit thinking it means they are mentally fit as well. Those who have deep depression and an inability to connect with other humans, those that live within their minds in a fantasy world. Grown women who fantasize about men and develop crushes on those they never approach.

Be honest Anna, if a woman with all this baggage were to walk into a gym tomorrow and shoot up a room of men working out, would you be on this blog labeling her as a addict, abuser, pedophile and serial murderer? I don’t even know you and I know the answer…..no.

Don’t allow you own internal baggage with men to overlay every man who does something out of the norm. He was a sick man who took his life and the lives of innocent people (not women) people. Their gender should not be a determining factor for you to offer sympathy. He walked into a gym, pulled out a gun and opened fired. It was predetermined and deliberate. It was wrong and senseless. But as I said, from the early reports he appears to be someone who was an average man. An average man with a huge amount of emotional issues, and that is what makes this so distressing. Because he could have been anyone of my associates or a handful of male friends I know. There are no overt signs for depression on the level he supposedly had.

So your comments and concerns about men who are abusers and the like, are not pertinent here on this thread. Tomorrow or over the weekend as more information comes out of the guy, if it is revealed he had abused women, THEN your comments would be valid. But right now you are coming across as a woman that is over generalizing in regard to men.

Again I ask, would you have labeled a woman all that you have labeled this man if the situation was the same?

By Belinda Joy on 08/06/2009 7:26 pm