Conversation | 07/01/2009 11:00 pm
The wOw Conversation: Why Do People Put Up With Abuse?

JONI: Margo, you recently noticed this little comeuppance that you were so gracious to put on the Web. You had made a casual remark to a woman who had once been abused –
MARGO: Yes.
JONI: – and had started up with another abuser, and you wrote something along the lines of, “How could you do this twice?”
MARGO: I said, “What a slow learner.”
MARY: What did she do? What did she say?
MARGO: I got the most marvelous letter, and I’m still in touch with that woman. She was very well spoken, well educated, had come from a fine home, i.e., a privileged home, and she wound up in the shelter system in New York, getting away from an abusive husband. At first she said, “I was highly offended by that slow learner business.” She said, “Let me educate you.” She said, “What you live through is what you know, and if you’re abused as a kid you will go on to be an abuser. And then she told me her situation – how, because there was no other option, she was absolutely thrown back into the arms of her abusive husband, from whom she finally fled. And there was a question about her daughter, because she said the system in New York was broken, and she couldn’t get any help. Nobody was coming through. And I misunderstood something. I thought she was afraid for her daughter. I said, “Let me get you a lawyer in New York.” And she wrote back and said, “No, I’m done with the court system. That’s not the problem.” But we kept going and I thought I should say something, because I’m reasonably savvy dealing with people’s problems and also being 114 years old. The fact that I did not understand, really, the crux of the abuse situation embarrassed me, and I thought, “Look, if I don’t know, there are other people who don’t really get it.” And I owe this to the people who read me for information to go further with this. And I hope that wOw makes it their cause somehow.
| There’s a lot of anger in depression, and there’s a lot of mistreatment of people, and there’s also a lot of disinterest in people who are helping. |
MARY: I read somewhere recently that close to 70 percent of the women and about 50 percent of the men in the United States have had some sort of child abuse. Not necessarily physical, but the kind of abuse that you carry around with you like a backpack all your life.
MARGO: “You’re not good. You’re worthless.” I had a letter about that. A father was verbally abusing a little boy, grinding him down into nothing, and I told the mother she just had to get out.
MARY: I think there’s a lot more awareness of it now than there used to be, just as there’s greater awareness of clinical depression, and depression in general.
MARGO: Yes, Mary’s right. The figures are astounding. I read some of the same things and I couldn’t tell you exactly where, but the numbers are enormous.
MARY: One of the big issues in this article was why people don’t leave when they start with people they can see are going to have a very long road ahead with depression. There’s a lot of anger in depression, and there’s a lot of mistreatment of people, and there’s also a lot of disinterest in people who are helping. To know you’re going to have that all your life is frightening. And then there are all the people who are physically abused, and the big issue is: Why don’t they leave?























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L.C.
Yes if you can ‘plan’ the way out all that is wonderful to know. But there are times when the time comes for you to leave and you have not had a chance for any of that. Saving money? that is the hardest part espcailly if the abuser keeps tab of every penny you spend, wants recipets for everything and if your one penny off well…..I know the next day when I went to our joint account he had already had my name taken off of the account just minutes before I arrived I couldnt even get out my daughters SSI check. Even though the bank knew I was on the account at one time, and that the check came in my name for my daughter I was still refused access.
The soon to be X did slip up in he didnt change locks right away so for 3 nights after I left, while he worked 3rd shift I went back after the things you listed and more of the kids stuff. I made sure to take nothing of mine that he could claim was his and nothing that was given to ‘us’ or that was bought during the marriage. I didnt go back a 4th night I had everything the kids needed and I needed. It was then he informed me that he had changed the lock and would press charges against me for breaking and entering if I came into the house again. I guess he forgot that in Indiana as long as we are still married in the eyes of the law and both names are on the lease then I could break a window to get in and get things and he couldnt do anything. But it didnt matter I had what I needed for the kids.
Sometimes when the time comes you go weather you are prepared or not.
DJ Dirr
At the start of my post I wrote sometimes you do not even know when you’re going to leave . You leave when the opportunity presents itself. We can always get new clothing and documentation. Ones priority should always be life. You did everything right! … You made it out alive!.
The list was for information purposes. I know not all persons will be able to save even the tiniest sum. There are some battered women’s shelters who help women plan their escape.
Enjoy your new life of freedom!
Kuanyjal Gai
Please read my post on Domestic Violence/Abuse. I m certain it will be of help and comfort to you.
I will keep you in my prayers.
Yours is a real cry for help, Kuanyjal Gai. I don’t know where you live but, if you can find a way to talk to any kind of professional (social worker, minister, priest or even your hairdresser), you may be able to get some help that will make your situation more bearable. You deserve help and you deserve to learn strategies to cope with the difficulties that life has given you. Be brave and look for someone to help you!
I see that this is your first post on WOW. The women (and a few men) who post on WOW are really smart and supportive, even if they don’t always agree. Take advantage of their wisdom. Ask questions and they will reply. They will become your friends.
LC - Having worked with families in a Social Services setting in England I must endorse your posts. The knowledge and advice there is sound and tallies with my experience.
I think low self esteem has an enormous amount to play in domestic abuse situations but even people who are relatively confident can be vulnerable in some situations such as pregnancy, so even when a childhood has been "happy" there are usually indications that there has been some insecurity and this can surface in adult life at a vulnerable point.
Another point I would like to make is that often it is women who are abused (not always, but a high percentage of the time) and it is a sad fact that we still live in a patriarchal society, where women are viewed as objects, not fully rounded people, in many facets of society, particularly in advertising etc etc. Also as has been mentioned, men are brought up to think in this way about women and women support it. So it is important to keep talking out about these subjects and keep challenging even seemingly benign comments which are derogatory towards women. Over the years I have been accused of being stupid, a feminist, not knowing what I was talking about, too male etc by men and women for speaking out about sexism in our society, and I don’t consider I am any of these, just a human being!
Warmest wishes to all the women out there who are talking about their experiences - it takes so much courage to do what they have done ie stand up to their abusers.
By the way, I am not an insomniac, it is mid morning over here!
Chrissy Smith
Yes, there are moments in ones life when even the most confident persons can be vulnerable.
However, ones self-esteem in abuser relationships diminishes with each blow and every verbal assault. It is the nature of abusers to batter their victims into submission. The goal is to batter the victim until she/he is nothing but a shell of themselves. The goal is to make them feel absolutely worthless. The batterer wants control.
Here’s a different perspective. I was forced to be a homemaker, not by my husband, but by my in-laws. They cut me off from the community by telling lies on me, made it impossible for me to drive because they knew that I had vision issues from birth, called me a slut, stalked me, had other people go along with their schemes to stalk me, and nothing I could say or do could get me out of this situation because people believed them and not me. I’m still in this situation and trying to get out. My husband moved to Florida to continue his education, but we’ve ran into series of bad luck after another.
The pick-up truck that we were going to take to move me and my 15 year old son there, the gas tank was sugared, and my husband who relied on people who were also loyal to the in-laws put these people’s names on his resume as references, who then in turn gave a bad name on my husband and forced him to take a job making half of what he was making, so we only have enough money to pay his rent and the mortgage payments here, so I can’t get there to be with my husband.
Bullying and manipulation has been my life, and I have never had a voice about it until now. You never know what you can endure it, until it happens to you. I have been threatened and went to the police, and the police basically laughed in my face because the in-laws know powerful people in my community. I don’t have don’t have the freedom to even go to the grocery store by myself, as I live ten miles away from the nearest one, too far to walk. So if you wanna talk about emotional abuse, I’ve lived it. People have been told that I was too dumb to pass the written test, so that’s why I don’t have my driver’s lisence, and I cringe in embarressment and say nothing.
Angie Hall
I am deeply concerned about you and your present situation. There is a light at the end of this tunnel. You do not have to spend the rest of your life existing under these horrific conditions. I say existing because you are not living.
It is my understanding from what you wrote that you and your husband have a good marriage. It is your choice to be with your husband. It is your influential in-laws that are responsible for the problems you and your family are experiencing.
I am going to gently make some suggestions and share some ideas based on what you’ve posted. It appears to me your in-laws have too much (power/influence/say) in your marriage. You seem to think it is impossible to escape them and that there is no hope. There is hope and you can escape.
Have you and your husband considered relocating away from the Florida area? … Is your husbands voice silent regarding his parents? … Is he afraid of his parents or does he have the courage to confront them? … Does he depend on his parents financially? … Are there cultural traditions at play here?
From where I sit you and your family need to put a plan for escape in place ASAP! … An ideal situation would be for your husband to find a larger residence and come and get you and your son? … I do not see why this would even be necessary. The three of you can live in his present residence and move later. At this point I’m concerned with your physical, emotional psychological and spiritual health. Surely, the money being spent on your mortgage can be used to perhaps relocate to another city or state?
Even though you have been beaten down emotionally. I see a woman with strength, determination and a will to change her present situation. A woman who is no longer willing to be silent and is now ready to live instead of merely existing. A woman who is now ready to build a life for herself.
Are there any organizations in your area that you are aware of that assist battered women? …If so, contact them for information. If snot, get on-line and google centers and organizations in your area. Make telephone calls.
I would like to speak with you and assist you personally. Please contact Wow and have them to contact me with your contact information. Your information will be kept confidential and I ask the same. I is difficult to discuss this matter and ask the questions I need to ask.
I have a friend who a year ago left her abusive boyfriend, father of 2 of her 3 boys. They were together for 5 or 6 years and he didnt abuse her often but when he did it was bad. He cheated on her several times and each time she left, but he came running to her begging to be taken back and she did b/c of her low self esteem.
The final straw was when she was holding their 1 month old baby in her arms and she called him a liar so he got a loaded gun, held it to her head and told her if she ever called him a liar again he would shoot her, all this time their 2 year old was watching.
She was able to get out and has been on her own now for a year…it has been very, very, very hard for her b/c she is now a single Mom, she does get little child support but thats it. He will never have custody of his kids but he is fighting for visitatiion, yet he wont pay for supervised visitation…
I have nothing but respect and admiration for my friend b/c she was able to get away from him. We as her friends knew there wasnt too much we could do until she was ready to leave, until she had had enough.
Thankfully she didnt have to change her name or go through a divorce, as they were never married, but up rooting yourself and your kids was and still is very hard on her.
To those women who get out and make it, We are Proud of You! It may feel its you against the world but its not, you are never alone!
I, myself, went through some abuse from my mother as a teen. Fortunately, I had loving grandparents who saw how she was treating me and believed me when I left home and they took me in. My leaving (she said) said it made her look like a bad mother and she turned one of my younger brothers against me (a month later he understood why I left as her negative attention turned to him). Several months later, after my mother got me a job at a factory where she was working, she called me a derogatory name in front of all her coworkers. Apparently someone pulled her to the side and spoke with her. After that, the abuse stopped (22 years ago) for me and my mother and I get along very well now.
I also have a very good friend (met online) who suffered abuse from her (now-separated) husband. He isolated her, physically, verbally and emotionally abused her, yet made out that she was the abuser in the relationship. He would bring home food for himself and the children and conveniently forget to bring her anything, wouldn’t allow her to work and if she did, he’d sabotage her so that she’d miss work and lose her job, attempt to seduce every female friend she had, made out she was a lazy slob to the neighbors when in actuality she has severe asthma (He’d limit her ability to get meds.) and severe arthritis so that it was painful for her to do much of anything on bad days. He once went out on a pretext to get her some OTC arthritis meds, (She was crying due to the pain.) and he came back 4 hours later empty-handed after deciding instead to "babysit" (in reality cheating on her and using pot) for friends. I could go on and on about things she related to me what he had done to her. She was alone as her mother had died several years before and he had the rest of her family fooled. When I was able, I drove over 1000 miles to go get her and bring her home with me. If she made a remark she was hungry or needed a coffee on the way back, I’d pull in and we’d get it. Every time it left her in tears. I helped her get physically healthy (She did nothing but eat and sleep for an entire week after the return.). I’d like to say she’s done a lot better for herself (she did for a while), but I can’t say she has now. She’s in another relationship, new child. He’s a verbal abuser and has threatened her, but not carried through. He’s not a good provider, insecure and has anger management probs. The only reason they are still together is because of the new baby.
I also have another friend, a young man whom I met through an online hobby several years ago, who has been continually abused by his parents—some physically, but mostly verbally, emotionally and mentally. As our friendship progressed, he related his story of abuse to the point that it makes me wonder how people like his parents were ever allowed to have children at all. He is a very intelligent young man, warm-hearted and loving and only looking for acceptance and love, which led him to places most people wouldn’t go (online or off). He was bumped up a grade in elementary school because he was so smart. The next quiz he brought home was a C (He’d been making As and Bs.) His mother, with knife in hand, told this 9-10 yo boy that if he brought another C home that she would kill him. He was grounded for entire semesters for bringing home a few B grades (He made As and Bs.). Anything he found pleasure in, they wouldn’t allow it. He was fond of Magic: The Gathering. They told him the game was witchcraft and burned any of his cards they found. If he was disobedient in any way they perceived, in addition to spanking, his father (a former Green Beret) would put him in military restaining hold and make them extremely painful to the point of making him cry out in pain (isn’t that illegal?). His mother would toy with him emotionally and verbally, and anything that went wrong in her life was his fault. Anything he confided in her, she’d turn around and use on him in her next assault on him. She would ask him why couldn’t he be like this other kid or that kid instead of who he was. Meanwhile, one of the kids she wanted him to be like was a priviliged female socialite who had a group of boyfriends around whom she would have abuse and bully people she didn’t like. When the young man came home saying he’d been beaten up or stuck with scalpels or knives, his parents refused to believe him, then later told him he was making the story up for attention and even later said he was doing it to himself for attention. Meanwhile, this socialite drove 1 schoolmate to suicide and another into a mental institution by her bullying. He couldn’t leave home because he didn’t have the funds to support himself while going to school or attending college. His parents had him convinced the police wouldn’t believe anything he told them, that the instant he left home he’d be mugged or murdered and the worst they’ve tried to do is tell him that he can never have "true" friends because they don’t exist, because all "friends,"eventually only want you for the money they can get from you. These words from people who lock themselves up in their homes at 5 p.m. and don’t leave home, don’t allow phone calls after 7 p.m. and punish their 20yo college attending daughter for not being asleep by 10 p.m. They have no friends. This all due to the abuse they endured at the hands of their own parents and their own bad judgement. I could go on and on. The stress of staying with his parents, the cyberbullying (over politics and religion) raised his stress levels into the dangerous hospitalization zone. He was constantly sick with GI probs. When taking a stress level test, scores ranging from 1-1000 (1000 being high stress and hospitalization recommended), he scored 956. Upon finally being able to financially leave them (after being disowned by his mother and father several times because he didn’t do something she wanted a few times) he finally was able to move out. Since he has done so, the very next testing of his stress levels, his score dropped in the low to mid 500s. Upon losing the cyberbullies, his stress dropped into the normal range at 410. He is rarely sick now. Through all this he put himself through college on scholarships and grants and award monies. He graduated magna cum laude last year with 2 majors and 2 minors. He is finishing up his Master’s and was accepted yesterday into his university’s doctorate program in his chosen field. He is freelancing as a business consultant for a new restaurant opening close to where he lives, and has worked so hard for the owner (who is just awed by his abilities and lets him know he’s appreciated and that he’s 1 of a kind) that he’s going to be given a 10% ownership in the business after it opens. His confidence and self-esteem have gone through the roof and he can’t believe all the good things that have happened to him since he moved away from his parents. He’s achieved all this, yet his parents call him a loser, that he’s screwing up and he’s only being used. I don’t know about you, but I would be proud to have a son like him and if they do finalize disowning him, I’ll adopt him in a heartbeat.
Kahlan Amnell
Thank you, for sharing your post. Women and men need to see that there is LIFE after abuse! … There is HOPE and a FUTURE!
Yes, any parent would be honored to call him son. I wish him continued success, health and happiness.
Lena B
Thank you, for sharing your post and for educating others. I’m especially pleased with your focus on our youth. Teen abuse is on the rise.
This is more than just a discussion. This is a desperately needed service. I think Wow has knocked it out of the ball park by introducing the issue of Domestic Violence and Abuse.
The women and men who have responded are inspiring and courageous.