Conversation | 07/01/2009 11:00 pm
The wOw Conversation: Why Do People Put Up With Abuse?

JONI: Margo, you recently noticed this little comeuppance that you were so gracious to put on the Web. You had made a casual remark to a woman who had once been abused –
MARGO: Yes.
JONI: – and had started up with another abuser, and you wrote something along the lines of, “How could you do this twice?”
MARGO: I said, “What a slow learner.”
MARY: What did she do? What did she say?
MARGO: I got the most marvelous letter, and I’m still in touch with that woman. She was very well spoken, well educated, had come from a fine home, i.e., a privileged home, and she wound up in the shelter system in New York, getting away from an abusive husband. At first she said, “I was highly offended by that slow learner business.” She said, “Let me educate you.” She said, “What you live through is what you know, and if you’re abused as a kid you will go on to be an abuser. And then she told me her situation – how, because there was no other option, she was absolutely thrown back into the arms of her abusive husband, from whom she finally fled. And there was a question about her daughter, because she said the system in New York was broken, and she couldn’t get any help. Nobody was coming through. And I misunderstood something. I thought she was afraid for her daughter. I said, “Let me get you a lawyer in New York.” And she wrote back and said, “No, I’m done with the court system. That’s not the problem.” But we kept going and I thought I should say something, because I’m reasonably savvy dealing with people’s problems and also being 114 years old. The fact that I did not understand, really, the crux of the abuse situation embarrassed me, and I thought, “Look, if I don’t know, there are other people who don’t really get it.” And I owe this to the people who read me for information to go further with this. And I hope that wOw makes it their cause somehow.
| There’s a lot of anger in depression, and there’s a lot of mistreatment of people, and there’s also a lot of disinterest in people who are helping. |
MARY: I read somewhere recently that close to 70 percent of the women and about 50 percent of the men in the United States have had some sort of child abuse. Not necessarily physical, but the kind of abuse that you carry around with you like a backpack all your life.
MARGO: “You’re not good. You’re worthless.” I had a letter about that. A father was verbally abusing a little boy, grinding him down into nothing, and I told the mother she just had to get out.
MARY: I think there’s a lot more awareness of it now than there used to be, just as there’s greater awareness of clinical depression, and depression in general.
MARGO: Yes, Mary’s right. The figures are astounding. I read some of the same things and I couldn’t tell you exactly where, but the numbers are enormous.
MARY: One of the big issues in this article was why people don’t leave when they start with people they can see are going to have a very long road ahead with depression. There’s a lot of anger in depression, and there’s a lot of mistreatment of people, and there’s also a lot of disinterest in people who are helping. To know you’re going to have that all your life is frightening. And then there are all the people who are physically abused, and the big issue is: Why don’t they leave?























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My mother was abused by my father and I swore, when I was little, that I would never allow any man to hit me, and it has never happened. I’ve had many men try to bully, threaten me but I learned a long time ago that I can outsmart them with words that cut. You see, men that abuse women are emotionally weak. Physically strong, yes, but when you attack their heart they are disarmed. They don’t expect a physically weaker woman to retaliate with strong words. I don’t let up until he recoils because I know his kind will try it on another woman if I don’t. Any man that’s met with me will think long and hard before trying to abuse another woman.
Why did I put up with it? I didn’t, but you can’t hide from someone determined to find you when the people around you refuse to believe that he’s a real danger to your life. I didn’t marry him and didn’t have children with him. I changed my name and moved many times. If I had this difficult a time shedding a determined abuser, I can imagine how hard it must be for someone with fewer resources or children to get away. It’s frustrating to learn that someone refuses to leave a dangerous partner or refuses to prosecute or is taken in by another abuser, but some people aren’t that strong. You don’t know what it’s like until it happens to you.
Livia Jones
Thank you, for sharing your post.
I cannot stress how important it is to educate others about Domestic Violence and Abuse. This is a serious issue. Womens and mens lives depend on.
No person should have to live in fear.
I no longer care. After years of being screamed at, yelled at, hit, slapped, chased and pretty much everything except molestation during childhood. I just don’t care.
I’ve read books, seen therapists, had myself put into a home for a while. Checked into a home for abused women (that was just about a joke), group with other abused women talking about how hard life was/is for them.
My daughter isn’t in a good marriage but it’s better than alot of others and she’s not abused. Won’t stand for it.
My son has an abusive girlfriend that is sly and he is just like her. They both beat on each other.
I finally stood up and said no more or else I’m gone in EVERY way. That startled my husband along with my leaving for the shelter and telling him I no longer loved him and never will.
I’m here due to health problems, pretty much left alone now, roof over my head and food on the table. I had to learn to a certain degree there are problems in a marriage and some of what I believed to be pertaining only to my husband is actually "real life".
Why don’t I know about ‘real life’? My mom was overprotective to the point that I had no friends, went no where and rarely got to go outside to play. On the other hand she would scream, yell, whip me with a belt leaving bruises for nearly everything I did ‘wrong’. We have since made peace and are great friends. I’d do anything for her.
You see, she was abused worse than I had been and had been beaten so I wasn’t beaten bloody like her. She cried and apologized to me several years ago (altho the abuse ended at the age of 15). I said since God had forgiven her years ago I had to and it was no longer there.
I never screamed at my kids, never taught my daughter that she was to ‘bow down’ to male authority, never taught my son to hit ANYONE else and the physical abuse had ended while they were children. When questioned later both admitted they couldn’t recall my being hit by their dad in front of them. We had gone through a spell where my husband wasn’t scream/cussing/hitting me.
No, he wasn’t raised in an abusive home, the parents never beat the kids and didn’t argue in front of the children. But they showed a very tradional front to the world. Never heard a cuss word or bad comment to the other out of the 20+ years my MIL was alive. Only thing was my husband’s older brother was overbearing and he’d aggravate my husband every chance he got. Attention hog is what I call him, very jealous and that made a strong impression on my husband.
And on me later.
A test I read about:
Dogs put into pens. Some had never known anything but the pens and others knew about running free, having attention and love.
Both sets were put into pens where people would stand outside the pen and any move the dog made, they’d be shocked by cattle prods. Eventually both sets of dogs would just lay down, realizing that any moe would cause pain.
Both set of dogs had their doors opened, the dogs that had known freedom before eventually left out and enjoyed the freedom again. The ones that had never known love, security, or a pain free life had to be taken out of the pens.
Better the devil you know and have some control over (ha ha) than to go outside and get into worse trouble?
I tried to get out of pen on my own and it didn’t work. Trust me, I tried for several years.
Some can’t get past that pen door. I don’t say this for sympathy nor do I want it and don’t expect it. But I hope it’s a different perspective for others and will help those that are too scared to say they are still there to come out and share.
Dear Granny,
May God bless the road that you have chosen to walk. I pray that you find the peace that has eluded you in this life. I will remember you in my prayers.
She cried and apologized to me several years ago (altho the abuse ended at the age of 15). I said since God had forgiven her years ago I had to and it was no longer there.
I meant that ‘to’ to be ‘too’. Sorry.
I suffered tremendous psychological abuse from my mother while I was growing up. The hitting (not beating, just hitting my head or slapping my face) was nothing (indeed, I thought it was normal!) compared to the constant undermining of my self-confidence. And when she was angry with me (usually because she’d make me cry and then get angry that I "made a scene"), she would not speak to me for days or weeks until I apologized. According to her brother, my uncle, this behavior started before I can even remember but he didn’t reveal this important information to me until she was dead.
As soon as I could, I moved 3000 miles away and, when she visited, she continued to try to control me. However, as I matured, I learned how to deal with her.
What was the great gift that she gave me? Whenever I wasn’t sure how to react to something my children said or wanted, I would think what she would have said or done AND THEN I WOULD SAY OR DO THE OPPOSITE.
My son claims to have had the happiest childhood of anyone he knows and my daughter is a wonderful mother to my two grandchildren who adore me.
THANKS, MOM!!
Kat Jones
Abuse often starts with verbally abusing the victim. It escalates into pushing and shoving. The pushing and shoving turn into slapping and beating. One of the characteristics of the abuser is to force his victim to have sex for the wrong reasons. The goal of the abuser is to gain total control and to destroy your self-esteem.
Your abuser was the ignorant, insecure, unaccomplished one. He felt diminished and was envious of your abilities and accomplishments. He felt a false sense of power and competence by putting you down. Sadly, it was the only way he felt of worth and felt like a man.
You are an intelligent woman with a degree and a good job. More importantly you were able to escape your batterer. Now you have to free yourself from his voice in your sleep. It might take some time but it can be done. Have you spoken with a domestic violence counselor or therapist? It does not have to be permanent just until you have worked through some unresolved problems.
nikita michalkov
You were able to free yourself from this abusive relationship. I’m glad to learn your inner guard keeps your eyes open for any signs of abuse. Abusers come in all shapes, sizes, ethnicity’s, both sexes, badly and well groomed. They come from all economic and educational backgrounds. I wish you the very best and continued strength.
Nikita,
I’m glad to hear that you Loved yourself enough to escape from your abusive life.
There are as many reasons why a woman (or man) put up with abusive behaviour as their are Abusers…………
The Sadness is that we still live in a culture that allows it to continue.
We still have women (even one wow poster) who have advocated that it’s OK for a man to hit a woman if provoked to do so.
There are women who come from perfectly wonderful homes with loving parents who end up marrying or getting into relationships with abusive men. What’s the answer to that?
There are those who were abused and become abusers………
As I stated in my opening……….there are so many different reasons there is no simple answer.
We do need to start training our children to be loving good citizens of the World.
I truly believe there is one WORD that could almost heal all the wounds of mankind (not medical) RESPECT!!!!!!!!!!!
If we teach children to be respectful………treat them respectfully what a great change would transpire in our lives.
We dont hit or physically damage someone we Respect………
We don’t lie and cheat to someone we Respect.
We don’t destroy property or steal from people we Respect
RESPECT must be taught………it also must be earned.
It is the way and means to a better life for all people.
My name is Jeffrey Friedman, and I am the Executive Director of the Retreat, a non-profit organization that has been providing domestic violence services for over two decades. From our experience people “put up with abuse” for a variety of reasons: a) Financial- We are finding that especially during these trying economic times, household stress levels are swelling from fears of job loss and foreclosure, and consequently incidents of emotional, physical, and mental abuse have begun to spike. Potential clients of the Retreat report being ever more frightful to abandon their abuser(s) and face the negative financial ramifications. The sad reality is that females often earn less money than their male counterparts. In addition a woman may not work because of her partner’s objections. Employment is compounded when there are children involved. b) Fear- Utilizing threats to instill fear is an effective technique to keep someone engaged in a relationship, which is the ultimate goal of any abuser. The message that terrible things will happen if you leave has bombarded a woman by her abuser. He has convinced her that no matter where she goes, he will find her and hurt her or the children. He may also threaten suicide, which is quite common in abusive relationships. c) Children - More often than not a woman stay in an abusive relationship because of the children. The mothers we serve at the Retreat report that they want their children to have nurturing relationships with their father and that they feel very guilty "breaking up" the family. Ironically, a majority of mothers we serve state they often leave because they realize the children are being adversely affected by family violence. d) Love-Many victims want their relationship to work very badly and are willing to hang in there and wait for things to improve. Often women believe the promises her partner has offered and she can’t give up on the relationship because of a few issues.
e) Religion- Most religions strongly frown upon divorce and the breakup of the family. f) Isolation - When the time comes and a victim decides to leave an abusive relationship, she is often alone and has been isolated her from her family and friends for extended periods of time. She has nowhere to go. Often the victim feels ashamed about her situation and that it is her fault. She is scared of the unknown of the future, not having anywhere to go, no money and or means to care for the children.
What the staff do at the Retreat is to provide hope for mothers and their children. Our staff show the people we serve that they can have a life free of violence and abuse. They show them they can be in loving nurturing relationships.
For far too long, communities have been standing on the side lines and allowing domestic and family violence to thrive. This is no longer acceptable. We must stand together as a community and pledge that family violence is unacceptable and that we are not going to stand by and let this continue to happen. In our community there are 26 animal shelters…..and only one domestic violence shelter. I am hopeful that these meaningful discussions will raise awareness about domestic violence and prompt people to get involved to put an end to family violence.
Jeffrey Friedman