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The Love Goddess | 06/23/2009 11:00 pm

Dating 101: Mind Your Manners and Ditch the BlackBerry

Editor’s Note: Who is the wisest of them all? Who is more dedicated to your pleasure than anyone on earth? Who can help you when you’re going online for the first time to find love; or when your lover’s children hate you; or when you want to strangle your husband? Why, the Love Goddess, of course. She promises nothing less than celestial wisdom, heavenly sex, divine dating. Read on …

It’s front-page news for The New York Times – businesses are grappling with the thorny etiquette of wireless devices – with the fact that people are texting and e-mailing during meetings. What’s rude and what isn’t?

I’m more concerned, of course, with your love life, and, so, with the etiquette of wireless devices on dates. Planting your BlackBerry on a table when you’re on a date is, my elegant Earth Girls, against the Goddess Rules. Remember how you feel with a man who makes it clear he’s too busy for you? Whose work or whose kids always come first? Who is accessible, always, to his boss or kids or ex-wife … but not you? Who can’t connect for an hour ‘cause he’s too distracted?

That’s how your date feels when he spies that phone on the table.

If you shouldn’t be on this date because you’re so busy, maybe you should stay at the office. Make those phone calls and texts and e-mails and leave this poor guy out of your life until you have a moment to spare him.

If something is that important that you have to have a phone available, explain so up front. "My oncologist may call, because she doesn’t take calls during the day. I hope you won’t mind if I take that call. I won’t take any other."

Have you ever been in a store when your salesperson took a phone call from another customer – and left you standing there while the caller’s order is placed? Didn’t you say, or feel like saying, "Hey, I’m the one who CAME here. I come first!"

That’s how your date feels.

What disturbs me, too, beyond the rudeness of awaiting a call (don’t even speak to me about making calls while on a date!), is the sad idea that smartphones now do what cigarettes once did: offer owners a chance to do something with their hands and their minds … as if it’s somehow humiliating to appear to be still and not busy for ten seconds. Isn’t it sad that it’s more important to appear connected than to offer real connection to that person you made a date with … and with whom you want real connection?

I don’t mean to be grumpy, but I’m in the business of getting my sweet Earth Women involved, face to face, with other people. If you must look busy while you await your date, go buy a newspaper. Spend the 50 cents on the hard copy. And then fold it up and put it away when your date comes. And know that the most important adults I know on this planet and others don’t go on dates carrying phones – any more than the Queen of England carries cash.

Like all savvy goddesses, the Love Goddess has her own blog, which you can visit by clicking here.   

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James the Game

I haven’t dated in ages, but I do know that people interrupting conversations at lunches/dinner, board meetings, news conferences, etcetera, with their phones is extremely rude. But it happens so frequently, many people don’t seem to realize it.

It’s akin to going into the bank or your cable-TV provider, and while they’re supposed to be servicing you, they pick up the phone and carry on a 10-minute conversation, like you’re not there. They may be ordered by their superiors to do that, but it’s still rude as heck.

By James the Game on 06/24/2009 12:46 am
A R

I’m with you, James. The phone is supposed to enhance our lives, not take away from it.  My spouse likes to joke and say, "If he/she is that important, then they don’t need to be here with the rest of us commoners."

I think the real issue is that some people are not comfortable being alone with their own thoughts—in silence. My sister is one of those. If there is a single moment of down time, she’s on the phone. She literally won’t just sit and be. 

I’ve actually seen my sis (and others like her) talking  on the phone with one person, while sitting at a table in a restaurant with friends. I’ve been with her in the car having a conversation, her phone ring, and she choose to talk on it for 15 minutes while in the car with me or others.  It’s so unkind to the people who’ve made time for you in person.

My sister and mother will scold me for not taking a call on my cell when I’m in a store, at the doctor’s office, paying at a cash register, or in the car. "Aren’t you going to get that?". I shake my head and hit the silence button so it will go to voicemail. I check the screen just to make sure it isn’t my spouse or child, and then I’m done. The phone is for MY convenience, not that of the world!

By A R on 06/24/2009 7:53 am
James the Game

Almost all of the cell phones nowadays, A.R., have "vibe" settings. That way, you can tell if someone’s calling, and look to see if it’s an urgent call that needs answering (rare).

At news conferences, right before it begins, a staffer or another reporter will usually tell everyone in the room to shut off their gizmos.

Your larger point is so true, about what an inpatient (I meant to type impatient, but I guess inpatient fits, too!) society we’ve become. The technology monster’s out of the box!

By James the Game on 06/24/2009 12:40 pm
Andrea Brandon

It breeds obsessive complusiveness.

The studies show that people who bounce back and forth between doing one thing and answering calls or even just checking to see who’s calling have a lower productivity rate due to the distraction.

By Andrea Brandon on 06/24/2009 6:04 pm
James the Game

What was that you were saying, Andrea? Sorry, I was on the phone. ;-)

By James the Game on 06/24/2009 6:14 pm
Andrea Brandon
Exactly my point, James.
By Andrea Brandon on 06/24/2009 7:00 pm
Deniseann Taylor

I hate cell phones James, period.  I only have one because my children worry about me.  I only use it when I’m out in case of an emergency, and If my home phone isn’t fully charged and I need to make a call right away. 

It drives me nuts when you see someone coming from the opposite direction and their talking and there’s no visible phone, so you don’t know if they’re talking to you or nuts.

Watching people talking, twittering or texting while driving scares the daylights out of me.  I get in another lane and stay as far away as possible.

We’ve loss the art of communication on a one to one level, it’s texting, cell phones, etc. no more getting together for coffee, lunch,or ice tea, it’s I’ll call you later.

keep the cell phones for er use only. 

By Deniseann Taylor on 06/26/2009 1:40 am
Andrea Brandon
Ditto, AR…..the phone is for MY convenience.
By Andrea Brandon on 06/24/2009 6:05 pm
SURA B

I live above a noisy restaurant, and  I can observe patrons sitting outdoors, and what I see is a serious change in manners and decorum, those old fashioned words. For example, as soon as couples or groups of women with women/men with men/ or coeducational are seated, almost everyone takes out a phone or Black Berry, and talks intermittently or continuously. As a matter of fact, I observed 2 young women interrupting their eating to dial and speak. At another table, one guest (I presume) sat quietly, hands clasped, while 2 other women at the same table continued speaking to their phones.

 On buses, and in the street, even in supermarkets,as well as boutiques these rude change makers are dialing, talking, and treating salespeople, bank tellers, bus drivers, waitpeople as objects, and there is no connection between people.

There are women carrying strollers (yes, carrying them) on a bus with one hand, holding a child’s hand with the other, and hugging a device with their shoulder and lowered head—and there is no human contact with the driver of the bus or the other riders as they amble down the aisle bumping into passengers.

As for mothers and nannies who talk throughout their strolls with a child in a stroller, I wish they would talk to the child. What I overhear are inanities, catchng up with gossip, or explaining which streets they are passing, as though they ae whisteling in the wind! Is anyone paying attention? 

I do worry about the dangers in not concentrating while walking, driving in traffic, and I also wonder whether these people are even conscious of their environment and the people in it. It is as though evironment and everything else is an inamimate object.

 As for drivers making turns at the corner of a street, I stare at them, hoping they notice, because I won’t step across the street while they remain inatttentive. I hope that the use of these devices is outlawed on all vehicles, and that passengers are warned not to use them, because they distract the driver.

How arrogant it is to think that one is a multi-task genius! I strongly doubt it.

 I consider this behavior offensive, not impolite.

 As for courtship, what is that all about? Demonstrating one’s importance, power, or lack of interest?

 I’ve always considered this use of devices a demonstration that Americans cannot bear to be alone, silent, concentrating on walking, sitting, shoppng, or just enjoying the sites, whatever.

Years ago, while thousands waited for the Pope to pass in his limousine along Fifth Avenue, I observed a moment  when almost everyone began talking on a cell phone. A tourist looked at me and asked: "What are they doing and why?"

I confided: "Fear of being alone!"

 When all this awfulness began, someone coined a wonderful response, which I’ve used occasionaly: " Do you think this is a telephone booth?"

Of course, the callers outnumber us, so I don’t both any more. 

By SURA B on 06/24/2009 8:02 am
Rita@ Goldivas
Shirley, you are absolutely right! I think shopping isn’t as much fun as it used to be, thanks to the idiots wandering around talking on their cellphones, oblivious to everyone else. Same for dining out - it’s really an unpleasan distraction. And, the conversation you overhear is never very profound, "I’m at Kohl’s now, blah, blah, blah".
By Rita@ Goldivas on 06/24/2009 11:54 am
Washington  Cube
Well said, Shirley.  There are so many offensive factors at play here.  I would add on one more location, and one where I can’t easily walk away.  Airplanes.  People stay on the phone until ordered to put them away, and the minute they are available again, out they come.  It is obsessive and has to mean more than communication. Since we can hear what they are saying, it is easy to determine what is being said isn’t of grave importance. "I am walking now.  I am in the store now."  I have yet to be in a social situation where someone close to me is busy with calls.  I did tell myself when I find myself at a dinner table, or meeting someone socially, if they do pull out the cell, I would speak up and say, "Perhaps this isn’t a good time for us to be together.  Can we arrange a different date?" Wait.  I take it back.  I do have one friend who does this, and she always prefaces it with, "I have to take this.  It’s Kathy-Billy-Tommy-Sam."  The truth is.  No.  You do not "have" to take it.
By Washington Cube on 06/24/2009 2:28 pm
SURA B

Indeed! I omitted my pet peeves: At concerts, theate productions, and the movies there are the "outlaws" who either are so demented and obsessive that their fingers must tap on their tiny instrument or they are unconscious of what they are doing. Unfortunately, I have acute hearing, and peripheral sound (while listening to a performance) irritates me  and the glare of that toxic object is disturbing,  I’ve had to ask/tell them to turn it off—-though they’ve been told to turn it off when the lights are dimmed. Most ofen, these rude people complain that I am victimizing them!

 We are experiencing a new culture of boors who really are not considerate of others, because they must be the center of attention. 

 As for those on a date, what does it indicate when both or one of the suitors is on the phone? What are they getting into? It’s certainly not romantic or even interesting. 

 One of my friends who is a sculptos claims that as a species we will lose our numbed thumbs! Is that the solution? 

 

 

 

 

By SURA B on 06/24/2009 3:07 pm
Washington  Cube
No.  It’s such an overriding need, they would switch fingers, hold pencils in their mouths or use their nose.
By Washington Cube on 06/24/2009 3:49 pm
dale koppel

Over a three-year period, I dated hundreds of men, who I met online, and I’m happy to say that a very small percent took or made cell phone calls while on a date (though those who did never got to go out with me on a second date). I recall one of them who said, "I may have to take a phone call because….," and I thought it was a good reason, so that was acceptable to me. And if the truth be told, it was a cell phone call that made me fall in love with Mr. Right. We had planned on meeting at a restaurant for dinner for our first date (something that I didn’t typically do. As I write in my book, THE INTELLIGENT WOMAN’S GUIDE TO ONLINE DATING: And She Lived Happily Ever After (http://www.theintelligentwomansguide.com), one should do coffee only for a first date - just in case you want it to end quickly. When I arrived at the restaurant - on time - I was greeted at the door with, "Are you here to meet Peter?" When I said, yes, she told me, "He just called. He’s on his way, but he’s stuck in traffic, and he’s going to be 10 minutes late." What a wonderful impression that made on me. People always seem to be 10 minutes late - or more, and they never think to call. Peter and I fell in love on that first date, and we’re living happily ever after. It was his cell phone that made the first impression.

 

By dale koppel on 06/24/2009 8:15 am
Mickey Marsh

My husband gets so mad at me- I have a cell phone that sits on the table next to my chair- I use it as an address phone book- so handy!!!!

I am either at work, or at home ( or with someone who has that little thingy in their ear)- and ten minute transit. Nothing is so important that I need to be reached in that time frame.

By Mickey Marsh on 06/24/2009 11:58 am