Well I’ve seen a lotta stoned folk and I’ve never even come close to what Mary Wells states. Not even close. That had to be LSD or mushrooms or something from the medicine cabinet. As to Merrie M., how about all the available research on the horriffic murders under the influence of alcohol or video games? Folk smokin’ a bit o the grass love not hate. They create not destroy. Bella Mia, does that science mean that Carl Sagan who smoked a skinch each night would have been another Einstein instead? And our kids woulda never learned from him? And I wonder what all the chemicals in the cleanin’ agents we use are doin’ to the brains, not to mention the cyber dust, microwave dust, plastics film, carbonated drinks, food fixatives and food additives, and and and? Legalize the stuff, not for sale, homegrown only. My gawd it’s a natural herb used for milennia and the only reason it is illegal is for the illegal drug money the cops and small town officials take in, and of course the pharmaseuticals can’t make money off it because it’s so cheap to raise right in your garden. It also keeps the Blacks who know soul outta the votin’ booths by havin’ an excuse to put ‘em in prison for gawdssake. How long are folk gonna buy into the corporate and political propaganda instead to fill their pockets I wonder? But the agr-pharms have now separated the THC and will probably make a pill with a bunch of other chemicals in it to sell for a bunch. It’s not anyone carin’ about health. It’s about big money. Come on! Mary Wells to be such a goody goody may be preventin’ you from writin’ a real funny piece! Lighten up on life. Moderation! Invite Whoopie over and she’ll help you learn how to listen to music and enjoy fine food! Now for gawdsake just lay back, listen to some Vivaldi or Moody Blues and please pass the gawdamn brownies and fruit plate.

Great hope for diabetics! Amazingly interesting. I was goin’ back and forth bet. 60 Minutes and the other brand on plastics. I’ve been waitin’ 40 years for folk to realize that storing, cooking, freezing, in plastics and chemical coatings is dumb dumb. And I’ll probably have to wait this long for the sad news for microwave cooking, and the vibrations that come through our eyes, hands, head, ears, of cell phones and cyber toys. Boy how we so overuse with so little under thought. What I noticed about the Doctor was he asked questions more than make statements. A real scientist! He also showed great observation and listening skills to his clients not considering them idiots or a means to the bank. Bless the Dude! 60 Minutes is on top of it!

Possibly Bill Graham we should take your theory into more detail and ask ourselves what is it exactly we should like in a President that will be of use to We The People. These days to say you have never crossed party lines is a bit of ‘in a box’ isn’t it? I just don’t understand the ‘Party’ girls and boys. Seems they never quite get to the macro issues.

Lin Si, well welcome again. I must compliment you on how quickly your English usuage and the relating punctuation got so much better from your first discourse! Fast learners you Chinese. As to the History of China. I have studied the History of China for about 14 years. Beginning about 1500 years before the Shang Dynasty and of course the Decree of Heaven, of which China still adheares to philosophically, at least. I have also studied the social orgins of distress and disease in modern China. I did this because in my care was a blessed 6 yr. old boy from China in my care as to his acculturation to the Western World. I wanted to be sure he also had a base for his roots. Please do not underestimate the scholarship of U.S.A.ans by what you read or see in the movies or on our television or silly chat rooms on the net. I ask you Lin Sin if you have read: Red Azalea by Anchee Min; Bitter Winds by Harry Wu and Carolyn Wakeman; Life and Death in Shanghi by Niem Cheng; The Forbidden Stitch by Geok-lin; Wild Swans by ____Chang. My point, new debater, is: Have you read the many many books written by Chinese (mostly brave women) on the Mao Regime? You see, in this country with all our bad government we still have the freedom of search through the Freedom of Information Act to search and study the mistakes our government has made. Do you? As to California. California was taken from the Spanish 200 years ago before an everyday newspaper or a radio station and cerainly no TV and internet. U.S.A.ans today would not allow our government to do such an awful thing again. This is why you see our citizens saying to leave Iraq from the ‘way we are doing business’ and it was the same with Viet Nam. We are saying we do not like the ‘imperialistic’ manner in which the war is being conducted and the harm to the common people and the destruction of their social and economic foundation. Now Tibet. Tibet is as old as China, having been some of the greatest warriors on the Planet. The Emperors of Tibet and China used to exchange daughters even for marriage. China bruttally ravaged Tibet in the 1950s and the evidence of this in the broader world is extensive. Why I wonder, when China is so large, is it necessary for her to insist without any dialogue or compromise to have as her very own possession Tibet and Tiawan? Hum? This is not 200 years ago. The Chinese can use the net and get information one way or another and put up the same arguments for people’s freedom as we U.S.A.ans have. In the 80’s I had hoped for China that they would take the best of the West and the Best of China and build. But this isn’t what has happened, has it? It’s money and decadance from the blood and sweat of your deep countryside people. The upstart lucky Chinese (and to the Chinese money is always luck) have their head stuck in the sand as to those who were not in the right place at the right time to reap the benefits of unprincipaled capitalism. Same as here but even worse. It is beginning to appear that your government might be even worse than our Western governments. The point Lin Si, as a world citizen, isn’t it your responsibility as it is ours, —to search for the truth? Over a billion people and a dias of old men in an auditorium? Your symbol of Yin-Yang balance is Black and White. Possibly your ability at Statesmanship needs to understand is not Black and White. They are only the beginning and end zones, with a lot of gray in between. As to global communications might the Chinese be a bit tight? And to the West it appears as posturing and immature, not that appearances are always correct. Just exchanging questions and wonderments.

I wonder what this is, this need of ours, to need a Team, and a great fear of standin’ alone?

Amazin’ and it saddens me. Everyone in here really over 40? Maybe the age needs to be raised. He said, she said, they said, look who did that, and more yada yada. It’s as if most of the writers haven’t a clue as to the magnitude of the problems facing us and just about everyone on the planet —bascially because of what we have or have not done. You trip on your own words of either naiveness or a need to blubber rather than investigate. One writer states voting for Nader is not an option for he’s had time to a develop a good 3rd party. I think this is the people’s job. She makes it clear she’ll vote democrat. However toward the end of her discourse she blames the ‘Welfare’ State on both the Republican and Democrat parties, of which I agree. However, I will not cast my vote with either of them, —she will. It’s that electability factor isn’t it? It must be. None of the running candidates have a proven documented record as does Mr. Nader. Or for over such a long time. So obviously it all boils down to electibility. Who can beat ‘Bush’, who this time morphs into the body of McCain? Right? This is the Holy Grail? Didn’t we do this last time also? All kinds of people who liked Mr. Nader and thought him more qualified and honest backed away from their conscience and voted for the most electible to beat George Bush. Ah yes. George Bush turned out to be the most electible didn’t he? And of course the turncoats blamed it on Mr. Nader as a spoiler, etc. and never blamed it on uncounted and withheld votes or Mr. Gore not carrying his own home state, and certainly never blamed it on the turn coats and those not voting their conscience, or voting for the person with the proven and traceable record for over the longest period of time. Ahhh speculation and statistics. Work about as well for our elections as they do for our financial market don’t they? Shouldn’t it simply be doing the right thing based on the evidence? Because of the PARTY cartel none of the party candidates will be allowed to move much. Big big money at play. The resources of the Planet at Play. The wellness of our children at stake for big money by the products produced by big money in food and technology. And possibly even the sense of even seriously recognizing these things has been burned outta us by the agri-pharms and cybernautics.

Lin Si and Jai Carney, Nei How. Wonderful you were able to find your way to us here in the U.S.A. Your words and your thoughts are appreciated. Your efforts to communicate in our language is as precious as a golden peach. Please keep visiting. We want to hear from women all over the world! Maybe myths can be dissolved! Si si (spelling? Thank you?)

I’m tired of it all Both candidates are panderin’ more an more’ to politico play. Their snips at one another drive me crazy. The way the press jumps on it drives me more crazy. So I’m gonna drive myself. If Michelle Obama shows up somehow on a ticket I’ll vote woman and black all in one vote. There is where the brains really are and both the balls and boobs to deliver. And if she doesn’t show up I go Ralph Nader and don’t give a damn about ‘electibility’ but I do about livin’ with my conscience. I just cannot play anymore the party game. I’ve become the donkey the pin gets stuck into my tail! It’s become Russian Roulette and it has it’s stages of immorality. They are cartels at best. I’m done with ‘em. Hear me? Done, done, done! I’m waitin’ for Tavis to get a party of good folk together, that’ll serve us all, with intelligence intead of manipulation and sleight of hand. I wanna be the first honkey to be invited to join the Black Cacus. Maybe after I learn to spell it, I’ll get invited. I like their work, investigation, scholarship, and analysis, and the way they spin ‘spirituality’ to apply to it all. I think Obama is comin’ thru as a wuss and Clinton is comin’ thru as a puss. I’ve decided neither is up to the task that we have before us. And the biggest place they are Team Wuss & Puss is they think we are idiots and keep throwin’ junk at us. I’m done I tell ya. I’ve listened and read and listened and read some more and as far as I’m concerned they are just a different culture of wolves in lambskin. I’m fried, frazzled, frizzled, and frayed. Done done. I’m the new elitist, of the defeatist!

TIBET,TIBET by Patrick French, 2003 by Knoff Publishing. This is a scholarly work done in story of his return to Tibet. It includes the first history of Tibet to present. He talks to people along the way. It is considered ‘the’ book on Tibet. We hear Chia say that Tibet has always been a part of China. This is not historically so at all and not even close. Tibet and her territories took up almost about 1/4 of all China. Tibet had some of histories greatest warriors in ancient times. A must read I think to be savvy on Tibet and not just the ‘emotions’.

I listened to the man tell me that durin’ the cultural revolution his father and mother were both taken away for ‘re-education’. They were both professionals at Universities in the Sciences. They were subjected to the ‘Dunce Hat’ interrogations and badmouthed and hit by their friends and colleagues tryin’ to save themselves. Did you see this, I asked. “No, my Father didn’t want me to get a bad heart.’ His parents were sent away at different camps for a year. The boy was 8. I said, “What did you do?” He said. “I stayed in our government apartment by myself. My younger Sister and Brother went with relatives.” Yes, the boy cooked for himself, did his own laundering and cleaning, and caring for himself when sick. And might I add this is the boy of 8,who 30 years later had the Mao buttons. This is the boy who sent the U.S. Agricultural brochures back to China. This is the boy who once he received his U.S. citzenship separated himself from as many non-Chinese U.S.A.ans as he could. Those who had served him, he betrayed, and even set one against the other. Cleverly.

I take issue with Linda Bauer. My Chinese Family, were educated in the 50’s. Even tho is was not up to the normal Chinese idea of scholarship, —they were learning physics in 5 th grade! When Linda speaks of rural, we think rural here. And there is a rural in China. What she doesn’t speak of are the millions in a countryside China that is using the same tools as were used 6000 years ago. Linda is a fine example of ‘seeing’ only what the Chinese wanted her to see. They have been experts at this with our businessmen and diplomats. If she had asked many I just travel as I wish throughout China, it would have been denied. After all they are the culture with the Trickster Monkey! And why wouldsn’t the people be gracious? Almost like delightful children, yes?

As to those who think China can’t do without us as consumers, think. Chinese can immigrate here from the Mainland, go through the process for Green Card and Citzenship, receive U.S. citizenship and NOT lose their Chinese Citizenship. This was our BIG mistake. Do do this with Canada, Britain, France, etc. is wise. To do this with a country and culture so different in values and intentions in cooperation from ours was a massive mistake for us and just a beautiful coup for the Oligarchs on both sides. China is in Africa and S. America big time. It is China’s style to populate other countries and at least take over financially. This is to say, encourage emigration. To be naive enough to think China is not keeping track of their people who left China at the end of the 20th century, —is a very dangerous thought. China will have consumers probably better than we U.S.A.ans within ten years I suspect. Remember this is a culture that was under either an Emporor or Empress or Dictator machine for centuries, millennias! To expect them to think and understand as we do is negligent. This is a culture that has probably the greatest and oldest warring strategies in history both of arms and psychological. The Chinese are fickle. Love you today and absolutely hate you tomorrow. As much as we are propagandized to think how important family is to them and respect for the elders remember: This culture of young scholars in the 50’s and 60’s turned in parents and aunts and uncles and professors for not being as to what they thought a true Maoist should be. The Red Guard was bruttal as was Hitler’s Youth Brigaid. Fickle, fickle, fickle. As to their population, the PRC are experts at using this expendable commodity. They encourage emigration and they mobilize the mainland people within accepted forms of propaganda. Something about the Chinese mind that is well suited to propaganda, even more so than us. The Chinese people could not possibly move toward some form of democracy within our lifetime. They don’t have one historical application of freedom for the people to relate to. The closest would be I think would be to Japan’s. But they absolutley hate the Japanese forever without end. Let me state, for it is important, I am speaking only as to the Mainland Chinese from the PRC. This has not been my experience with the people from Tiawan, at all. Sharp folk with a wonderful intelligent working democracy. A businessman from Central Asia of Russian ethnicity said to me: “The Chinese lie!” I reminded him this may be called lying by European and Western standards but by Chinese standards it is called clever, and highly respected, and rewarded. A man, a scholar, came back to my home for his first visitation back to the Mainland since T. Square. His family and mine lived together. Bought a home together to do business. He had in ‘99 a whole bunch of Mao buttons. I laughed thinking of it as how a kid collects this stuff (like his young son collecting stickers). He was offended at my laughter judging it as negative and said to me quite angry. “It was the West that ruined China!” I looked at him, he in his early 40’s and me in my beg. 60’s and said: “Yes, but remember it was the crooked greedy officials in China who betrayed their own people for this to be able to happen. As I’ve always said to you, all governments are bad!” and I laughed to try to lighten a heavy subject that held a big language and cultural gap between us. An agricultural specialist from the mainland in the U.S. with a Green Card on the way to citizenship with the help of a U.S. company was sent each year to the Agri seminar of the state at the company’s paying. 2 days. He would go to the hospitality booths the first day and collect all the brochures outta our universities as to their products and research and then pack them up and send them to China. He did not attend the seminars that his employer expected. A businessman, a mech. engineer, went to China to build a million $ juicing plant in the 90’s. The beauty of the juicing equipment was it could run practically on it’s own and invented by a man in my area. My friend came back and said there were Chinese climbing all over it working this and that. He said he told their supervisor it just wasn’t necessary, the machine didn’t need all this labor. And he finished saying they didn’t listen. I said to my friend this is because what they were doing, most likely, is teaching themselves how to make it and they’ll never buy another one from your company! And they didn’t. The Chinese are not to hate. Where does this get us? What we need to do is one of two options as I see from my 12 years of living with the Chinese and looking at the experience as a microcosym of China and Chinese relationships: either get better at their game (4 dimensional chess) or design a new game and force them to play it. Our game they will beat, soon. We worry about the fundamental political muslim cells. Hahah. Think. The Chinese are all over the world and in contact with the Fatherland even though they may not want to be. This would not include the pre-1980s Chinese Americans, who are true Americans and have given much to our culture. There is not an aspect of business and trade and development and design that they are not participating in. I often wonder if we said to the immigrating PRC Chinese since the 80’s, “We are allowing no more dual citizenship between U.S. and China. You must choose one or the other. If not your U.S. citizenship is removed. ——I bet we would lose a lot of PRC Chinese! But we do need to not allow duel citizenship with countries that do not have the freedoms of the Western world. I don’t mean the same kind of democracy, I do mean freedom. However, we must each realize, the G-8 one percent and other greedies will do whatever they can to get the most of the best as fast as they can. They can go anywhere for safety can’t they? No change is possible through the governing republic. Too much money being pocketed. The right change must come from the democracy, us, intelligently, as a mass. It’s all down to us all of a sudden isn’t it? We’re all we got. If we don’t I’m afraid the Phoenix will rise and the Eagle will fall into the fire, soon.

Possibly MARY MONAHAN can check her dictionary for the definition of Crone. SUZ DI and IRIS; you are correct on the title. Checked it out for sure. Not another book but my reference was wrong. Do you know about www.dogpile.com as a search engine. It searches all the others. I’ve got it on my favorites. Oh and Mary Mary quite contrary, you have a goooood day!

Suzanne Di: As to goddess societies I was talking about much earlier and Eastern European. Most of the book I recommended deals with the archelogical finds of Eastern Europe and Professor Gimbutas’ work from them. The book shows alsolutly wonderful plates as to pottery forms and designs going back 26,000 years. They were egalitarian with as much respect for the gods as for the goddesses. FRANK and IRIS, ya don’t wanna be without the Bucky! IRIS, I also gave this book as gifts to several back in the 80’s. For some reason, on my list of at least 15 years ago, I have the Sword & the Chalice. I don’t know if I have the title wrong or if possibly another work followed. If another work followed I would be referring to this one. However if I wrote it wrong then it would be as Iris stated and Suz Di verified. I mentioned THE CONTINUUM CONCEPT also and this is an important work and Geoge would like this also I suspect. Joseph Campbell begins to recognize and quote Dr. Gimbutas in his later work, respectfully. I think it is simply a matter of physics that men and women clash and bang in ideas and solutions. However to divide and not work and study at how to come together may cause the death of civilization. But I think we need to think rather than men/women, —instead as feminine intelligence and masculine intelligence. I think for woman to understand themselves on a deep level need to understand this and the purpose of each of the intelligence forms. Gawd this is heavy and I’ve only had a half of my cuppa Joe! To get into the goddess cultures all hokey as if the women were worshiped and strung in gold would be silly. To get into the goddess culture as a tension to men would be silly. To get into scholarly work we can easily understand is not silly and maybe quite important, to both women and men. The goddess culture didn’t say woman was God or that man was God but both women and men as gods and goddesses served and respected a higher power. It seems obvious tribes or northern and north eastern of fighting men brutally killed the goddess and gods societies and the question, I think, is why and why with such fevor? In scholarly work it suggests there was already language which had been developed by women and the societies were successful and happy. What was going on on the planet that caused these murdering raiding men to be absolutely bruttal? I have my own theories of course but I think it’s fun and helpful for folk to study with as little bias as possible.

Eve, alotta politcs is one reason. Back door politics. Another is I think, as a woman, I expected her to beabove the good ole boy politics. She isn’t. This nit picking she does is much worse than Obama and he’s bad enough because he does it in a passive way (back door), which may even be worse. I’m so disappointed in both actually. I wonder if they only know politics and haven’t had time to find out what a mess we and the whole world are in? Gawd gawd I’m sick of the preyin’ on us and acting as if we are dumb chumps. I personally am going, at this point, to vote for Nader. I just know his game. His history of facts is there and most of us over 55 lived it with him. He knows every system w/i the govt. and all the deregulations that got us in this trouble. Actually he put most of the regs in and Raegan came along and removed them and look at the mess. The Dems when they were in didn’t clean it up. I understand that Nader is pollin’ nationwide at about 10% I think Obama can be manipulated. I think Hillary is capable but I’m not sure about her values.