Sorry George, that was meant to be whatdaya. This is what I get for tryin’ to be cool!

Well George we see where your interest is: Monogamy or no. I think the question we are dealin’ with has to do with What is it men need to know about women? And I think in this question some of us are asking if we as women know ourselves, on a deep level. Whatday think guy?

SUZANNY, I will just address the idea of petition. Why? Becuase in my writing I have been working with this idea for about 2 years. First, the power of a petition is ENORMOUS. Second, the dangerous of a petition is also ENORMOUS My reasoning on the first. There is no representation for the people that does not have a specific political agenda. The political parties, the democracy groups, environmental groups, etc. My task is to get out of all this right, left, up, down stuff and get to the right thing as to We The People and justice and liberty for all. I So believe in LAW, without the swiss cheese holes. I see a national petetion every voter can get to as a solution, BUT, downloaded or copied and the person buy a stamp and send tens of thousands right to the desks of the State or the 1600B Block. The second. Danger is in the wording. Danger is in myopic thinking. Danger is when a petition is prepared without lookin’ at all the angles that can affect it. Thus the wrong worded petition can hurt us and others. The damage can be great. My thinking is the K.I.S.S. theory on petitions as well as law for that matter. 5th grade readability as to style. No holes when it is W,W,W,W,W, and how. Example of a bad petition, I think: Get outta Iraq right away. There are thousands that would sign this. Tens of thousands. But have all the angles been looked at. Someone comes into your neighborhood and bombs your houses, electric, water, shops, places of art and worship, —and all you ever did was go to work and take care of your family —and then the boo-mbers saying they are leaving after liberatin’ you and now you should be able to take care of yourself is myopic thinking. However a petition with excellence research saying we get out as a military force and stay as peacekeeping wihile a sophistigated type of Habitat for Humanity comes in and fixes what we broke is a very different concept. And even then the petition should state that the local people be hired to do the work, not foreign slave labor. Yada yada. This is written too quickly but I think you get my meaning?

Wow, what a nice way to wake up from a nap! Frank if wise it a direct path from fallin’ on your face a bunch o times, I stand to the occassion! haha Deni G. Thank you and welcome to thinking! Iris, and thank you and heyyy I have all of Campbell’s works! I recommend to you and all literate women actually if you haven’t already done these, the following: I have a slew but these are, I think, classics as to excellent scholarship without rant, rage, and hokeyness. The Creation of Patriarchy by Gerda Learner. This is wonderful scholarship and not rant and rage. It gives you the history w/o knockin’ men. The Continuum Concept: Allowing hHuman Nature to Work Successfully, by Jean Liedloff, and this is an amazing look into another culture (aboriginal) to be able to look back on ourselves and what civilation might have left behind. The Sword and the Chalice by Renee Eisler, which is what you meant I think Iris. The Language of the Goddess: Marija Gimbutas and this is my favorite. This woman taught at UCLA and I suspect is retired by now and this is an excellent piece with plate of pottery 26,000 years ago! She is an anthropologist and traces the goddess societies (which by the way were egalitarian not matriach) As women were goddesses were men gods -this scholar is the one who first took the goddess concept outta ‘new age and crystals) for me. I like crystals, but I like facts better in problem solving. I read a lot. But there are books that are just so well done and so important, that even those I read after are wonderful, there are those that are just the nuts, you know? These are a few acorns. FRANK, and other men, if you are interested in reading you may find these helpful also. Another great book is: Critical Path, by Buckminster Fuller. This may be outta print and old secondhand book stores might need to be called. Especially those around a college. This is a hard read because of both a poetic kinda language style for a scientist and a lot of physics, electricity, and solar etc. This man tells us 50 years ago how to fix the planet and even supplies energy grids. IMPORTANT BOOK, THE u.s.a. IGNORED AND THE jAPANESE AND jAPANESE GOVERNMENT GOBBLED UP AND LISTENED. sorry, I hate caps. Pinky knocked the caps thinger. But I’ve been workin’ on this book for 20 years!

Who knows, really? Really really knows? Hard evidence? But I bet there is a direct relationship to what happens to us after we die to what exactly we got done (with our mouths shut) right here. What have we served? Why have we served what we served, —if we served? Intensions?

” Once upon time a small good boy wanted to grow up to be a Great Lama. He honored his parents and his teachers. He played little and had little social activity. He studied. He got the highest marks and went onto the best university and he honored his teachers and did no wrong and played little and had few social contacts. He studied the books and wrote the papers on his journey to be a Great Lama one day. He graduated with honors from the university and went to his first monestary so excited to be on his way. As an initiate he was greeted by a Monk who didn’t seem to listen, carefully, to the young man as he explained how he had always studied and honored his mother and father and teachers and played little and had very little social activity and instead prepared to become his heart’s desire a Great Lama one day, —and the Monk put the young man to work scrubbing the marble floors of the monestary. He scrubbed and kept looking up because he was sure there was a mistake and he waited for someone of authority to come along who would recognize the mistake. Days went by and as he scrubbed he kept looking up in hopes of finding someone to correct the mistake. One day finally as he was looking up he saw coming a Great Lama, he recognized because of the reverence the Monks showed him. He stood up from his work and addressed the Great Lam by introducing himself and explaining he was a good boy always honoring his mother and father and he was a good student always honoring his teachers and he did not play or fool around with social intercourse but rather studied and studied to become a Great Lama. And the Great Lama looked out at the young man and said: You want, then, to be a Great Lama? And the young man said, with all respect of course, yes yes it is my only desire and task! And the Great Lama said to the young man: Then the first lesson in becoming a Great Lama is when you are put to scrubbing floors; —scrub floors!” End of Sufi Story.

It is within the mundane that the profound is experienced. Don’t pooh pooh the mundane task. Be there fully as to not miss the profound.

A little bit here and a little bit there and the work will get done; just keep movin’.

Work diligently, in youth, on what you want to have left after the glow of youth is gone. Shadows or imprints? Spiritual trash or treasures?

Remember ‘People Games’ are from a dysfunctional psycholgy of the self. They can’t be played with less than two people. Don’t play, move away. Cute little kittens can grow up to be nasty nasty cats. Be a loyal dog to yourself and thus you will be to others.

When you go about ‘charity’ remember it is for you to grow. The ‘other or others’ are just a catalyst for you to rise to your highest. After all, who can say with authority that the other or another is really less fortunate than you, in one way or another and most often not conscious. Possibly those we call less fortunate are really our teachers and our real mirrors —and our chance to really Be as to Become and thus Express?

Don’t look in the mirror more than twice a day, morning and night. And remember it is a reflection only and not even close to reality.

To be of the ‘right’ use to the self and to others is all there really is, and it is plenty enough. It is the alpha and the omega I suspect.

Service to humanity is the best work of life. Everything else is delussional.

I personally find the topic headings proposed as shallow, elitist, silly, and embarrassing for women over 40. They seem indicative of people who’ve never touched the world or had the world touch them. They are just so virtually pink dappled in virtual green. I can get shallow chat on numerous sites, a lot easier to surf. I’d hope that this site would present and pull the best of the feminine intelligence. I think many problems of the planet are dependent on women re-discovering the ‘feminine’ intelligence, —and using it for solutionizing.