mugsy and to all do any of you see what has happened here? i am again ashamed of this website supposed to be for and by women. and yet we still play the same games we did as teenagers. does frank’s quote really say it “all”? not by a longshot!!! what happened to being for women. his quote is supportive of thank god the man won and now we can slap each other on the back and no one said we women are not going to take this any more. women have to make it to the presidency not a word from frank not from any of the bevy of females about how as women we will fight for the right to be in charge the “all” doesn’t include anything about us, women. when will we support each other and try again and again to make it happen all i heard was i don’t like her so i will not vote for her. power is not passed to women because you don’t LIKE her? doesn’t sound like a real reason to me. so all your daughters and grand daughters lost out on tuesday and no one has said anything about HRC and the loss we as women have suffered. this website doesn’t support women who are serious about making the difference in terms of making the majority of people in this country have a real voice in what happens in our government. i hope that at some point the ladies upstairs will allow those of us who are disallusioned to have a chance to say something about how much we have lost and how we will work very hard so that we might have a woman president in twenty years. sorry for all the soapbox stamping and shouting. but i would like to know if at least some of the women on this site are sad about the loss of someone like “us” being president?

margo. thank you thank you thank you at last a voice of reason and not uncontrolled emotion. this clash of thoughts has been exhausting and now it’s over (at least for me) i have decided that women are simply not ready and will they ever, i just do not know. but today i am ashamed that i have to read the words of women who will never know the importance of power in all levels of human existence and some of you have a long way to go. open up to the knowledge of what the world is about and let’s all try to be more realistic in our criticism and more human. thanks for letting me write on this issue.

i had a wonderful dream of my mother and sister. they did for the most part not get along, too competitive, i guess. and eventhough they died years apart, i was sad they had never been reconciled as they had hurt each other in awful ways. after my sister died (my mother had died almost ten years earlier) i did indeed have this dream. i was walking down a road and found this wonderful big, old house and i could hear loud noises and laughter coming from the house so i approached and found the door open and stepped inside. there was no furniture in the house but the wood floors shined brightly. as i looked around i could hear the sound of laughter coming closer and this funny noise and then i saw my sister and my mother roller skating around and around the first floor laughing together joyfully. it was then that i realized as i woke up i didn’t need to fret about their dislike for one another they had done the work to reconcile their hurts themselves and i was pleased.

p. g. thanks for the insight. i agree that if we as commentors, identified with SHE we would be able to have an easier time helping SHE progress thru this crisis. i have been on both sides of being cheated by my husband and being the cheater. so i see a natural progression to her next move. for me it was well he did it and i can do it too. the old get your self respect back and forget about your fears of loss. and for me it did help some but this is not a positive way to deal with this upset. i believe all experience is useful even the things we do to hurt ourselves. what can SHE learn from this? even the possible recognition of loss could be accepted so SHE is beginning to understand what bart is all about. SHE has to experience this for herself. but we as commentors are objectifying her making her a thing but i see her as a person who has difficult decisions to make. and she is willing to take risks to discover something about herself first and her husband needs to be the afterthought, the other self who is something of a mystery to HER.

star thanks so much for your comment i too have a problem turning off msnbc. and i cannot stop watching poor chris the old sod. keith surprised me once with the comments about g. ferraro and i sat in my comfy chair with my mouth wide open. honestly, i thought keith might be an okay guy as far as women were concerned. boy was i wrong. so now the msnbc line up is all self centered males. i think the programing at msnbc is geared to a specific audience of those very young and waiting to grow up men. so here i am watching the msnbc man show. oh, i have cut back watching and i am struggling with this small annoyance of the tv being too often on msnbc!

it’s hard to believe but of all the responses (i think) not one hillary in the crowd. too bad i would have liked to hear what a person like hillary would say to this situation.

reading norman mailer transports the reader to a mysterious world of people who are very much like us but at the same time are far more interesting than we are! I am rereading the one book of his that I have read (I am sorry to say only one) and that is Ancient Evenings a transporting journey packed with such sensuous language it is like taking a bath with your encyclopedia.